For us, QC is still a feasible solution. We've just rolled out an entire suite of 32 interactive exhibits at the refreshed and updated British Music Experience in Liverpool using Quartz Composer running on 10.12. Performance and ease of development is still among the best of all the tools we use (which include Unity, HTML/JS, various Adobe horror shows).
I wish we could have adopted Vuo but it just wasn't as streamlined for us, and we have very specific scenarios we need solutions for, and the last time I tried it (granted a while back) Vuo was more geared towards VJs rather than museum exhibits. Having stated my position however, I do believe Apple has bigger things to worry about than killing off an obscure developer tool. The entire Mac platform (hardware and software) is converging with iOS and it's inevitable that macOS itself won't be what we all know and love. I give it 10 years max, possibly 5, and we'll all have moved to iOS. Yeah! Adrian Ward Technical Director Direct: +44 (0)20 7012 1752 Office: +44 (0)20 7012 1750 Clay Interactive Ltd, Studio 3.1, 128 Hoxton Street, London N1 6SH. United Kingdom. http://www.clayinteractive.co.uk/ Note: The information contained in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not read, use or disseminate that information. 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Open source QC (Paul Rankin) >> 2. Re: Open source QC (Alastair Leith) >> 3. Re: Open source QC (Paul Rankin) >> 4. Re: Open source QC (Imimot Kft.) >> 5. Re: Open source QC (Paul Rankin) >> 6. Re: Open source QC (Alastair Leith) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 13:36:09 +1000 >> From: Paul Rankin <he...@paulwrankin.com> >> To: quartzcomposer-dev@lists.apple.com >> Subject: Open source QC >> Message-ID: >> <1491795369.1084699.939530352.55457...@webmail.messagingengine.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Are there any plans to open source QC? >> >> I'd hate to see it abandoned, and if Apple's concentrations are elsewhere, >> it would be wonderful to see the language added to Apple's collection of >> open source projects. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 11:39:32 +0800 >> From: Alastair Leith <qc.student...@gmail.com> >> To: Paul Rankin <he...@paulwrankin.com>, >> "quartzcomposer-dev@lists.apple.com list" >> <Quartzcomposer-dev@lists.apple.com> >> Subject: Re: Open source QC >> Message-ID: <247d59f6-4c7a-475d-9fa1-49ec28133...@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> great idea! >> >> Unfortunately Facebook already left the party, so there goes a few thousand >> interested users who might have supported the project as OSS. >> >> Has been really bad how Apple has treated QC developers. Mushrooms get fed >> at least. >> >> Best >> Alastair >> >> Alastair I Leith >> Useful Design >> >>> On 10 Apr 2017, at 11:36 am, Paul Rankin <he...@paulwrankin.com> wrote: >>> >>> Are there any plans to open source QC? >>> >>> I'd hate to see it abandoned, and if Apple's concentrations are elsewhere, >>> it would be wonderful to see the language added to Apple's collection of >>> open source projects. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Quartzcomposer-dev mailing list (Quartzcomposer-dev@lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/quartzcomposer-dev/qc.student.au%40gmail.com >>> >>> This email sent to qc.student...@gmail.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://lists.apple.com/archives/quartzcomposer-dev/attachments/20170410/992927ab/attachment.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 14:05:26 +1000 >> From: Paul Rankin <he...@paulwrankin.com> >> To: Alastair Leith <qc.student...@gmail.com> >> Cc: "quartzcomposer-dev@lists.apple.com list" >> <Quartzcomposer-dev@lists.apple.com> >> Subject: Re: Open source QC >> Message-ID: >> <1491797126.1975488.939541160.06f09...@webmail.messagingengine.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> I was impressed that QC was rewritten in 64 bit with AVFoundation support. >> If it was to be abandoned I would have expected that to be when. It's >> incredibly powerful... I use a video app built in QC (CoGe) that can play 8 >> simultaneous HD video streams while keeping 30+ FPS. I don't know other apps >> that can achieve that, and I'd put it all down to AVF. >> >> But then there are minor elements without retina support, and the copyright >> says 2005 – 2014, so 🤷♂️ >> >> As far as I know, there is no Patcher-like language for graphics that is >> open source, since Pure Data Gem (Graphics Environment for Multimedia) is >> currently broken, and the other commercial languages are closed. >> >> >>> On Mon, 10 Apr 2017, at 01:39 PM, Alastair Leith wrote: >>> great idea! >>> >>> Unfortunately Facebook already left the party, so there goes a few thousand >>> interested users who might have supported the project as OSS. >>> >>> Has been really bad how Apple has treated QC developers. Mushrooms get fed >>> at least. >>> >>> Best >>> Alastair >>> >>> Alastair I Leith >>> Useful Design >>> >>>> On 10 Apr 2017, at 11:36 am, Paul Rankin <he...@paulwrankin.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Are there any plans to open source QC? >>>> >>>> I'd hate to see it abandoned, and if Apple's concentrations are elsewhere, >>>> it would be wonderful to see the language added to Apple's collection of >>>> open source projects. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>> Quartzcomposer-dev mailing list (Quartzcomposer-dev@lists.apple.com) >>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/quartzcomposer-dev/qc.student.au%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> This email sent to qc.student...@gmail.com >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 06:23:59 +0200 >> From: "Imimot Kft." <i...@imimot.com> >> To: Paul Rankin <he...@paulwrankin.com> >> Cc: "quartzcomposer-dev@lists.apple.com list" >> <Quartzcomposer-dev@lists.apple.com> >> Subject: Re: Open source QC >> Message-ID: <cf3d851f-ee98-4a35-8f61-aec4f1dd8...@imimot.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> I don’t think QC was rewritten with AVFoundation support. >> >> CoGe was not built in QC. Although it used a lot of QC stuff under the hood >> like 5 years ago, nowadays most of those parts are removed. Also CoGe does >> not use AVFoundation. >> >> Vuo is open-source. >> >>> On 2017. Apr 10., at 6:05, Paul Rankin <he...@paulwrankin.com> wrote: >>> >>> I was impressed that QC was rewritten in 64 bit with AVFoundation support. >>> If it was to be abandoned I would have expected that to be when. It's >>> incredibly powerful... I use a video app built in QC (CoGe) that can play 8 >>> simultaneous HD video streams while keeping 30+ FPS. I don't know other >>> apps that can achieve that, and I'd put it all down to AVF. >>> >>> But then there are minor elements without retina support, and the copyright >>> says 2005 – 2014, so 🤷♂️ >>> >>> As far as I know, there is no Patcher-like language for graphics that is >>> open source, since Pure Data Gem (Graphics Environment for Multimedia) is >>> currently broken, and the other commercial languages are closed. >>> >>> >>>> On Mon, 10 Apr 2017, at 01:39 PM, Alastair Leith wrote: >>>> great idea! >>>> >>>> Unfortunately Facebook already left the party, so there goes a few >>>> thousand interested users who might have supported the project as OSS. >>>> >>>> Has been really bad how Apple has treated QC developers. Mushrooms get fed >>>> at least. >>>> >>>> Best >>>> Alastair >>>> >>>> Alastair I Leith >>>> Useful Design >>>> >>>>> On 10 Apr 2017, at 11:36 am, Paul Rankin <he...@paulwrankin.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Are there any plans to open source QC? >>>>> >>>>> I'd hate to see it abandoned, and if Apple's concentrations are >>>>> elsewhere, it would be wonderful to see the language added to Apple's >>>>> collection of open source projects. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>>> Quartzcomposer-dev mailing list (Quartzcomposer-dev@lists.apple.com) >>>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/quartzcomposer-dev/qc.student.au%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> This email sent to qc.student...@gmail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Quartzcomposer-dev mailing list (Quartzcomposer-dev@lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/quartzcomposer-dev/info%40imimot.com >>> >>> This email sent to i...@imimot.com >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 14:49:49 +1000 >> From: Paul Rankin <he...@paulwrankin.com> >> To: "quartzcomposer-dev@lists.apple.com list" >> <Quartzcomposer-dev@lists.apple.com> >> Subject: Re: Open source QC >> Message-ID: >> <1491799789.1981526.939571936.4a0ef...@webmail.messagingengine.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Ah, clearly people should not listen to me...! >> >> >>> On Mon, 10 Apr 2017, at 02:23 PM, Imimot Kft. wrote: >>> I don’t think QC was rewritten with AVFoundation support. >>> >>> CoGe was not built in QC. Although it used a lot of QC stuff under the >>> hood like 5 years ago, nowadays most of those parts are removed. Also >>> CoGe does not use AVFoundation. >>> >>> Vuo is open-source. >>> >>>> On 2017. Apr 10., at 6:05, Paul Rankin <he...@paulwrankin.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I was impressed that QC was rewritten in 64 bit with AVFoundation support. >>>> If it was to be abandoned I would have expected that to be when. It's >>>> incredibly powerful... I use a video app built in QC (CoGe) that can play >>>> 8 simultaneous HD video streams while keeping 30+ FPS. I don't know other >>>> apps that can achieve that, and I'd put it all down to AVF. >>>> >>>> But then there are minor elements without retina support, and the >>>> copyright says 2005 – 2014, so 🤷♂️ >>>> >>>> As far as I know, there is no Patcher-like language for graphics that is >>>> open source, since Pure Data Gem (Graphics Environment for Multimedia) is >>>> currently broken, and the other commercial languages are closed. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 10 Apr 2017, at 01:39 PM, Alastair Leith wrote: >>>>> great idea! >>>>> >>>>> Unfortunately Facebook already left the party, so there goes a few >>>>> thousand interested users who might have supported the project as OSS. >>>>> >>>>> Has been really bad how Apple has treated QC developers. Mushrooms get >>>>> fed at least. >>>>> >>>>> Best >>>>> Alastair >>>>> >>>>> Alastair I Leith >>>>> Useful Design >>>>> >>>>>> On 10 Apr 2017, at 11:36 am, Paul Rankin <he...@paulwrankin.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Are there any plans to open source QC? >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd hate to see it abandoned, and if Apple's concentrations are >>>>>> elsewhere, it would be wonderful to see the language added to Apple's >>>>>> collection of open source projects. >>>>>> _________________________________________________ >>>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>>>> Quartzcomposer-dev mailing list (Quartzcomposer-dev@lists.apple.com) >>>>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>>>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/quartzcomposer-dev/qc.student.au%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> This email sent to qc.student...@gmail.com >>>> _________________________________________________ >>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>> Quartzcomposer-dev mailing list (Quartzcomposer-dev@lists.apple.com) >>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/quartzcomposer-dev/info%40imimot.com >>>> >>>> This email sent to i...@imimot.com >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 14:19:43 +0800 >> From: Alastair Leith <usefuldesign...@gmail.com> >> To: "Imimot Kft." <i...@imimot.com> >> Cc: Paul Rankin <he...@paulwrankin.com>, >> "quartzcomposer-dev@lists.apple.com list" >> <Quartzcomposer-dev@lists.apple.com> >> Subject: Re: Open source QC >> Message-ID: <c9c866a3-243b-448b-8198-9d90232ab...@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> http://vuo.org/source <http://vuo.org/source> :: >> >> The open source version of Vuo is available on GitHub >> <https://github.com/vuo/vuo>. It includes the Vuo Compiler and core nodes >> (but not Vuo Editor or Pro nodes), and it lags behind the current version by >> one year. Follow the instructions in README.md >> <https://github.com/vuo/vuo/blob/master/README.md> to build it (it'll take >> an hour or two). More info: >> >> Why are the Vuo Compiler and core nodes open source? >> <http://vuo.org/why-source> >> Why are the Vuo Editor and premium nodes proprietary? >> <http://vuo.org/proprietary> >> Best >> Alastair >> >> Alastair I Leith >> >> Useful Design >> 0432 889 831 >> 158 Canning Hwy >> East Fremantle >> WA 6158 Aust >> >>> On 10 Apr 2017, at 12:23 pm, Imimot Kft. <i...@imimot.com> wrote: >>> >>> I don’t think QC was rewritten with AVFoundation support. >>> >>> CoGe was not built in QC. Although it used a lot of QC stuff under the hood >>> like 5 years ago, nowadays most of those parts are removed. Also CoGe does >>> not use AVFoundation. >>> >>> Vuo is open-source. >>> >>>> On 2017. Apr 10., at 6:05, Paul Rankin <he...@paulwrankin.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I was impressed that QC was rewritten in 64 bit with AVFoundation support. >>>> If it was to be abandoned I would have expected that to be when. It's >>>> incredibly powerful... I use a video app built in QC (CoGe) that can play >>>> 8 simultaneous HD video streams while keeping 30+ FPS. I don't know other >>>> apps that can achieve that, and I'd put it all down to AVF. >>>> >>>> But then there are minor elements without retina support, and the >>>> copyright says 2005 – 2014, so 🤷♂️ >>>> >>>> As far as I know, there is no Patcher-like language for graphics that is >>>> open source, since Pure Data Gem (Graphics Environment for Multimedia) is >>>> currently broken, and the other commercial languages are closed. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 10 Apr 2017, at 01:39 PM, Alastair Leith wrote: >>>>> great idea! >>>>> >>>>> Unfortunately Facebook already left the party, so there goes a few >>>>> thousand interested users who might have supported the project as OSS. >>>>> >>>>> Has been really bad how Apple has treated QC developers. Mushrooms get >>>>> fed at least. >>>>> >>>>> Best >>>>> Alastair >>>>> >>>>> Alastair I Leith >>>>> Useful Design >>>>> >>>>>> On 10 Apr 2017, at 11:36 am, Paul Rankin <he...@paulwrankin.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Are there any plans to open source QC? >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd hate to see it abandoned, and if Apple's concentrations are >>>>>> elsewhere, it would be wonderful to see the language added to Apple's >>>>>> collection of open source projects. >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>>>> Quartzcomposer-dev mailing list (Quartzcomposer-dev@lists.apple.com) >>>>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>>>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/quartzcomposer-dev/qc.student.au%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> This email sent to qc.student...@gmail.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. 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