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Patrick Schleizer:
> Hi HW42!
> 
> HW42:
>> in Whonix tunneling apt directly through Tor is only disabled (so that
>> the update proxy can be reached) when the whonix-secure-proxy 'service'
>> is enabled [0]. What is the purpose of this? Why isn't the "standard"
>> updates-proxy-setup used?
> 
> The whonix-secure-proxy 'service' is automatically enabled, if connected
> to a torified updates proxy. The full mechanism is described here. [1]

Ah, ok. I did not expected an internal generated file in the
qubes-service directory.

> There was a Whonix 12 bug. "Templates incorrectly think they're not
> connected to a Whonix gateway." [2] Which also showed a warning popup.
> Did you see such a popup or hit that bug?

Ok, that's probably this bug. I think I did not see the popup the first
time (since this was only a test install I did not pay that much
attention so my memory might be wrong). But it did not had an internet
connection when booting the template. I now removed the manual added
whonix-secure-proxy service and now I see the popup. So this is pretty
sure this bug. Will try to update the Whonix template.

> "standard" updates-proxy-setup isn't used to prevent accidental
> non-torified, clearnet updates. (design decision [3])
> 
>> Context: On a fresh R3.2-rc1 install updating the Whonix templates
>> doesn't work since apt tries to reach the proxy via Tor. So the question
>> is whether the Whonix package or the template setup should be patched.
> 
> The template setup, as in creating the whonix-secure-proxy 'service'
> should not be patched.

This is now clear.

>> [0]: 
>> https://github.com/Whonix/qubes-whonix/blob/master/etc/uwt.d/40_qubes.conf#L5
> 
> Cheers,
> Patrick
> 
> [1] https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Dev/Qubes#Torified_Updates_Proxy
> [2]
> https://forums.whonix.org/t/templates-incorrectly-think-theyre-not-connected-to-a-whonix-gateway
> [3] https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/1880
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