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On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 03:46:05PM +0200, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 12:32:56PM +0000, Rusty Bird wrote:
> > Marek Marczykowski-Górecki:
> > > On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 11:56:51AM +0000, Rusty Bird wrote:
> > > > Marek Marczykowski-Górecki:
> > > > > On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 10:27:38AM +0000, Rusty Bird wrote:
> > > > > > I was trying to check on the status of the Arch Linux template, but
> > > > > > the issue ticket[1] has disappeared ("Page not found"). Maybe it's
> > > > > > caught in a GitHub spam filter?
> > > > >
> > > > > Likely yes, for some weird reason. I've asked github support to
> > > > > restore
> > > > > it.
> > > >
> > > > After a couple of GitHub API requests, it looks like they're currently
> > > > memory-holing 43 issues:
> > >
> > > Thanks for the list. Based on it, I've searched the github export I do
> > > from time to time, and I can confirm most of them are not spam (at least
> > > looking at the title, haven't checked the body).
> > > Specifically this list:
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/1004
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/1017
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/1025
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/1127
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/1510
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/1678
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/1794
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2196
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2221
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2669
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2804
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2862
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/3119
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/3272
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/3358
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/3395
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/3402
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/3414
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/4037
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/4056
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/4107
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/4108
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/4240
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/4605
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/4690
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/5033
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/5083
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/5154
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/5204
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/5205
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/5325
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/5334
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/5582
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/5928
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/5929
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/6415
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/6422 (dupplicate of 6415)
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/6451
> > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/6452 (dupplicate of 6451)
> > >
> > > That said, many of them are misplaced and were immediately closed as
> > > "invalid" as they should be rather posted to forum or ML.
> > >
> > > I'll add them to the list in github support request...
> >
> > Did you ever hear back from them?
>
> Yes, a month later, and it's not very optimistic one:
>
> It appears that these issues are currently hidden for reasons relating
> to the accounts that opened them.
>
> I'm unable to provide any further information about this for privacy and
> security reasons however if the account holders reach out to us we may
> be able to assist them directly.
>
> Unfortunately we're unable to re-show these issues until such times as
> we can work with those account holders.
>
> Sorry it's perhaps not the news you were hoping for but please let me
> know if you have any other questions.
My response would be something like, “Would it be possible to show
comments not made by the account that opened the issue?”.
> > I just read something disturbing that might be relevant:
> >
> > | Apparently, “suspending an account” on GitHub actually means *deleting
> > | all activity for a user* — which results in (1) every pull request
> > | from the suspended account being *deleted*, (2) every issue opened by
> > | the suspended account being *deleted*, (3) every comment or discussion
> > | from the suspended account being *deleted*. In effect, the user’s
> > | entire activity and history is evaporated.
> >
> > | All of a sudden, I was seeing pull requests, issues, and comments
> > | disappear from users who were actively contributing to the project.
> > | *We lost valuable contributions, information, context, and discussion
> > | history* on issues and pull requests. We even lost pull requests that
> > | were open and under active review. That work is now entirely lost.
> > | Gone forever. For pull requests that _did_ merge, we have the raw
> > | commit history — but that is not a substitute for a full code review
> > | and discussion.
> >
> > https://www.jessesquires.com/blog/2022/04/19/github-suspending-russian-accounts/
>
> Indeed, we've seen this happening. But also, we've seen comments
> associated to ghost user when original author's account is no longer
> accessible. I'm not sure how the method of suspending an account is
> chosen.
>
> Technically, the historical aspect of it isn't huge issue for us, as we
> try to not trust github too much (which includes having enough context
> in commit messages, having backups of issues, having notification email
> history etc). And honestly, I find searching through email notifications
> way more reliable than github's built in search. But that's still
> inconvenience, especially for current ongoing work.
Indeed it is, and a good reason to consider a different platform, such
as GitLab or other self-hosted services.
> PS I have used gitlab.com recently in another project, for about 2
> years. The project was _much_ smaller, in terms of number of issues,
> repositories count, contributions count, length of discussions and
> pretty much any other metric. And the subjective feeling was: gitlab is
> incredibly slower than github and much less stable. There weren't a week
> without "oh no, I need to type this long comment again, because
> something went wrong and it wasn't saved", or "something didn't load,
> try refresh few times until all the content loads". Since I (try to) not
> trust web services for keeping code reviews, I have them always written
> in a file first, so when this happens for a review comment, I just need
> to paste it again. But that's still inconvenient.
> So, while gitlab.com is an alternative, using it will cost us a lot of
> frustration... I guess self-hosted instance won't be much better, but it
> will require noticeable effort to maintain it (gitlab server
> specifically has quite complex environment with several services
> involved).
Frédéric Pierret is already maintaining a GitLab instance, so I don’t
think it would be too difficult for us to host one.
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Sincerely,
Demi Marie Obenour (she/her/hers)
Invisible Things Lab
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