On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 22:06:49 +0000 'skiinglasso2' via qubes-devel wrote:

> > Then it is not reproducible, i.e. not a bug, so unman is right.  
> 
> Firstly, I said I didn't attempt to capture it, not that it isn't
> reproducible.

No steps to reproduce = nothing to reproduce => not reproducible.

> Secondly, not reproducible implies not a bug? Absurd claim.

I find it absurd to claim that there is "a leak" which you have neither
seen, nor even attempted to detect. A bug report requires steps to
reproduce.

> What are you talking about?

Sanity. Facts. Logic.

> My explanation of why you misunderstood the reference is **exactly**
> the same as what Marek explained. Your initial explanation was
> relying purely on systemd ordering semantics, not the key detail that
> Marek added about forwarding.

Marek simply explained what I was hoping you would understand from the
systemd sequencing I showed. There is no network traffic forwarding
before network.target. If you can explain how a "leak" is possible
without network traffic, that would be a revolution.

> I admit my initial concern is no longer valid, but I think it still
> make sense to put these rules before network-pre.target. These rules
> are commonly used for things other than forwarding.

This is quite different from:

On Sun, 23 Mar 2025 06:40:23 +0000 'skiinglasso2' via qubes-devel wrote:

> There's a bug in qubes-firewall.service.

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