On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki <
[email protected]> wrote:

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> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 12:06:54PM -0300, Franz wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 11:11 AM, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki <
> > [email protected]> wrote:
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> > > On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 09:37:10AM -0400, Steve Coleman wrote:
> > > > On 07/24/2016 07:22 PM, Andrew David Wong wrote:
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> > > > > On 2016-07-24 10:56, Achim Patzner wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Am 23.07.2016 um 00:41 schrieb Andrew David Wong <
> [email protected]
> > > >:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Your best bet is to whitelist the entire CIDR block of bank's
> > > domain
> > > > > > > (and hope the site doesn't rely too much on CDNs). You can
> > > typically find
> > > > > > > the CIDR block in the domain's WHOIS information:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > … and then you’ll find out that $BANK is using an external
> service
> > > for its
> > > > > > financial transactions and their website is only providing you
> with a
> > > > > > locally running front end to that gateway. Which will probably
> not
> > > use any
> > > > > > machine in their own registered block. Or the web servers are
> hosted
> > > by a
> > > > > > third party who is not hosting the transaction gateway.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, that's why I said:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > If things still aren't loading properly, use the developer
> console
> > > in
> > > > > > > your browser (e.g., press F12) to see the domains of any
> network
> > > > > > > resources that aren't being loaded properly, then follow the
> same
> > > > > > > procedure to whitelist those, as well.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Sorry, but this answer might cause more problems than it solves.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Have you actually tried it? It's been working for me for years.
> > > > >
> > > > > But if anyone has a better solution, I'm all ears.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > A quick and dirty solution: In each restricted VM I open a terminal
> and
> > > do:
> > > >
> > > > > sudo tcpdump | grep unreachable | awk '{print $8}'
> > > >
> > > > When the firewall rejects a connection, sending back an ICMP
> message, the
> > > > hostname will be listed in that window. My .bashrc for each
> restricted VM
> > > > contains a simple alias:
> > > >
> > > > prohibitedHosts() {
> > > >    sudo tcpdump | grep unreachable | awk '{print $8}'
> > > > }
> > > > alias blocked=prohibitedHosts
> > > >
> > > > So I can just type the word "blocked" at the command line, perform
> the
> > > > failing operation, and then use the hostnames to tweak the firewall
> rules
> > > > for that VM. I'm sure you could do filtering with tcpdump rather than
> > > using
> > > > grep, but the stream buffering doesn't delay the output too much. Its
> > > been
> > > > working fine for me.
> > >
> > > Take a look at this message:
> > >
> > >
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/20160425084647.GQ1053%40mail-itl
> > >
> > > It uses very similar approach, but instead of using reverse DNS lookup
> > > (by tcpdump), it caches DNS responses to guess what name application
> > > asked for (which may not match reverse DNS - especially for some CDNs).
> > >
> > >
> > All this seems very interesting, but if someone has various
> > banks/brokers/bitcoins accounts etc it seems very time consuming and
> > requiring much attention both for setting it up and for maintaining it
> > because institutions change name, settings etc.
> >
> > Is there a plan  to automate it somehow?
>
> Currently no.
>
> > Anyway regarding Marek script I tried it in a dispVM, it writes:
> > tcpdump: listening on eth0, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size
> > 262144 bytes
> >
> > but then if on the same dispVM I use firefox to go to a gmail account or
> > another account, nothing appears on the terminal.
> >
> > I even looked if anything changed on dispVM firewall rules, but found
> > nothing different.
> >
> > So how is this script working?
>
> I've just tried and it is still working. It should output list of
> blocked destinations in format of qvm-firewall commands ready to load
> into Qubes firewall.
>
,
"blocked destinations"?  This makes me think that I should block
destinations somehow before running the script. Is that so?


> I've tested it only in Fedore VM.
>
> - --
> Best Regards,
> Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
> Invisible Things Lab
> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
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