On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 3:36:56 PM UTC-4, socks wrote:
> > But  Qubes still relies alot on user habits, and in fact the user learning 
> > new habits.  So Qubes does require even more discipline then linux or 
> > windows,  to get the full benefits of using it, imo.  But I think the avg 
> > person can easily get used to it.
> >
> > And like I said it took almost two years to compromise my qubes machine,  
> > doing the same tasks on a on a windows machine would take a month or two.  
> > And with linux only days.   This is my personal experience since 2008, of 
> > course I have no proof.  If you were to ask me during windows xp days?  I 
> > would immediately say linux is more secure.  But times change.
> 
> OK why "only days", I ask because I also have a Linux Mint Box , and who 
> is "HVM" ?

well linux mint is even worse for security then other linux boxes,  like fedora 
or debian. Because the linux mint devs themselves say security is not their 
priority,  and they hold back updates to ensure stability.  But that means you 
are getting patches way later then you should.  They forget to sign stuff 
sometimes,  dont' renew their website certs,  don't even use good encryption 
for sig files,  A hacker was even putting out backdoored iso on their site last 
year I believe.

If you really want to use linux I would recommend debian,  where you can easily 
encrypt all partitions and the devs take security seriously.  Plus its the 
easiest linux to compile your own hardened kernel for.

But like i keep saying it all depends on the user and I am only giving you my 
personal experiences based on how I've used my own pc. 

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