On Sun, Oct 01, 2017 at 06:29:10AM -0700, nhe...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, October 31, 2016 at 4:39:40 AM UTC+8, Manuel Amador (Rudd-O) wrote:
> > On 06/17/2016 04:11 AM, Drew White wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sunday, 15 May 2016 14:05:50 UTC+10, Jeremy Rand wrote:
> > >
> > >     FWIW, I think a legal argument could be made that such license
> > >     agreements are anti-competitive and therefore unenforceable.
> > >      However,
> > >     I am unaware of any specific precedent for this argument, so it would
> > >     indeed probably be unwise for ITL to violate the license agreement
> > >     unless their goal is to win the inevitable lawsuit and thus achieve a
> > >     beneficial precedent.  (And while that would be laudable, I would
> > >     definitely not blame ITL if they decided that such activities are not
> > >     worth their effort or budget.)
> > >
> > >     (And of course, I'm not a lawyer.)
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, in the end, I own a mac, It's not breaking any agreement or
> > > anything for me wanting to run it.
> > 
> > Yeah you are.  Check the licensing terms for the Mac OS X software that
> > came with it.
> FWIW - I have a MacBook Pro with OS X. I want to run qubes on my MacBook Pro, 
> and OS X inside qubes. OS X is the running on genuine Apple hardware. No 
> license agreements broken. Cheers.
> I am not arguing that this is a good use case to work on for Qubes 
> developers, just saying that the license argument is untrue. 
> Sadly, getting Qubes to run on Apple hardware isn't super easy either.

Naturally, the situation isn't as simple as you suggest.

Apple licensing has altered from OSX version to version - it's pointless
to talk of this without specifying WHICH version you are talking about.
Also, most of the licenses are not transferable so if you acquired a
second hand MacBook you almost certainly wont have the benefit of the
"virtualization" clauses in later EULAs.

On your second point, it's easy to get Qubes running on SOME Apple
hardware - in my experience old MacBookPro6.2 works fine with 8GB RAM:
the i5s don't, of course support VT-X but are otherwise fine.

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