-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 2017-11-27 11:44, [email protected] wrote: > Hi, I did not know about your OS. I think this project is awesome. I do not > have the computer knowledge some of you specialist of your field have. I am > writing this message to try to contribute in my own way. >
Thanks! > First, I have also watched "Youtube :Golem and Friends: Data, Security, > Scaling and More..." (very interesting too and I am learning more...) > > The first part the presenter (I understand she is a major contributor to > Qubes) Not just any contributor, but the founder and architect! :) > says "I would not recommended using a windows OS - internet browsing" this > person as superior knowledge... > > My point of view is this : This lady (and probably all of you even reading my > post) are (would be) one of the most secure windows user(s) on this planet ! > > Regarding to your future project, I am writing this to also tell you about my > concerns that people who would NEED you the most, logically, would be the > user with LESSER/ALMOST NO computer skills ...! > > I have a MintLinux server at home (force to use this because of my limited > > knowledge and the "obnoxious" graphic card chipset of the old laptop that I > > transformed for my project. (Home network : I have windows clients (for > > gamers), macOS client & now a new fedora-based client that I wanted to be a > > Qubes client but ...(2nd topic)) So, if I were to install Qubes on many > > system, my first choice would be to install it on my friends and family > > members who do not have a clue what goes on at anything lower "than > > runlevel 5" (to be more accurate they know what they are seeing and that's > > almost it and nothing about what goes on "beyond the scene" as far as > > computers go) > > 2nd topic : My experience 48h experience with Qubes 3 + another 48h on Qubes > 4.0 rc2 on my personal laptop. First, I notice the Qubes manager went away. > Not a problem because I was able to master the command-line qvm-backup easily > (without knowing everything)) (but using a terminal is now consider "above > average" skills by definition) In fact, I had chosen Qubes for this laptop > (the hardware had the capacity to handle the OS as far as virtualisation is > concerned) and it seems perfect to read online and work on it. I felt my data > (my own little projects) would be more secured. > > Logic for dummies .. > => Logic : new laptop have touchscreen ... > => Logic : Qubes designer chose not to support gnome => I understand it > perfectly*. However, considering, in the future most user will have > touchscreen, they will want the OS/software to be able use the hardware > capacity they paid for (I think this is logical). The user who would need > your work the most will not be able to add touchscreen support to xfce-based > Qubes (if it's not included) I know that I was not able to do this myself at > first. (is it possible?) I loved your fedora-based system (dnf as opposed to > apt-get is not too difficult to adapt too) Therefore I decided to switch my > client to the new fedora workstation gnome-shell. I do not think supporting > gnome (with all the implication that this have about reviewing internal > security/reviewing codes => major hrs and, perhaps, many coffees for everyone > is "The Must Way to go" (I do not even think myself there should be any Must > Way/One Way. Users should be as free as they can) > > However, from a user (human) perspective, I needed to read about Qubes. I > wanted to read about your project. I used to be a able to use my touchscreen > to read faster... and gosh I have needed to read a lot the past for days! > Now, I am reading your documentation on fedora (with touchscreen support) and > this is much easier for me. I which I could reinstall Qubes (xfce /w > touchscreen support like my fedora 27 workstation) in 2018 :-) At this > point, I have switched to federa also because Qubes 4 had a nasty bug(s) > involving not only the nm-applet but the whole sys-firewall vm /sys-net vm... > Dummy perspective : One time, the nm-applet went away I could not start the > sys-firewall either (&sys-net , Error starting VM: Cannot exeCute > qrexec-daemon! in terminal :S ) Then after rebooting two times, my sys-net & > sys-firewall were "fine" .. Those problems are completely beyond my current > skills .. I switched to fedora 27 but I will continue to closely follow your > project/Qubes OS on facebook and read more about this project. > > If this help someone ... I think you are doing great work (users and > developers) and please keep in mind those who would need you (your skills) > the most are not even people like myself but users far more vulnerable (even > less knowledge)... I understand this from my own field that sometime people > with superior skills take for granted (as do I) some of "our" knowledge and > tend to forget "obvious" is not the same "obvious" for all users. > I see where you're coming from. Our position is that reasonable security via compartmentalization (of which Qubes is an implementation) requires the user to make informed decisions about how to compartmentalize various parts of their digital life into separate domains. This can't be automated, since computers can't get to know you and make such decisions for you (at least not yet). Right now, this requires users to have at least a moderate amount of knowledge and understanding in order to consciously decide how to segregate their data and activities. > P-S I have seen Qubes 4.0 rc3 today (I stop with Qubes 4.0 rc2) it will be > tempting for me in the future to see if you have solved those strange > networking problems (rc2) occurring on my laptop ... Furthermore, I am > thinking to create usb keys with Qubes for my family members for xmas > (windows users who do not understand the "control panel" or where to find it) > so they can at least be protected when they connect themselves online to > their own bank account ! I can teach them at least this. Have a happy new > year. Good luck to you all if you are reading this :-) > Thanks, you too. :) - -- Andrew David Wong (Axon) Community Manager, Qubes OS https://www.qubes-os.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJaHMv+AAoJENtN07w5UDAwoToP/1TWb4IZXE2SllvXulHW50Ou w60LRKPs98hWv4aW+M7VJ5nl0w/+8Gag5T1R16RGyXve9gWcfTBe+5RQWjCrLzjp jumZ3ln8B37BtIZZKEe1HHGfD3BwrBRZ0ZOQGrGrZLYB/FQ39NBk2OjZHn2xBrEZ PX30BtcqfXLAbh8gYdPGYaBDIeBtfWzwujmTeH6Z+LBUDnLxczLAykz1jXCX5kvt IMJCcMUS08QbbKXx9t3sQJ16TkzVq6ryPy24cv6iiAXHpMmuYf2lmIXW+CZFAGgG jDt1Ym3zgMD9AauHKPRRmJMRQ8iwxiWv7bpI4bI3//OcZt6N8SQQGvNbhTV8UrYw lmZQuSNR44XrYM16xUG2fWrvUgpiaLaqsb/ZkvfF+HmhzsHVJcksqt0lCeSS5P6Z 4QDwSYX/po308VgAADhMQKraudsCcMhnHpAYAo41hCSHFnFIPc4HEHkzbo5oYC48 hH/rxVyu25/+2P6of8kMsrIsuYo/gd4Dhsy3z2LJfFy4PS6GkMenl/efBnhvew5P V7biQU1ahhWRV+sfZH9op3kefxAQupM3yDlSp84Hd3QWGhyqo1m6F5fhifXjHIeM 1o/htk6p729CHZ+0oSkgGo8M9tT6LKhpbqwi5N6X1Kc6f35BTSDrimgZhdrJbYbI nyvN9CyzC2poLuDH772k =wO6w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. 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