On Tuesday, April 3, 2018 at 4:24:21 AM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote: > On 04/02/2018 09:32 PM, cooloutac wrote: > > > On Monday, April 2, 2018 at 3:43:50 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote: > >> On 09/08/2017 07:12 AM, Leo Gaspard wrote: > >> > >>> Just a datapoint: secure boot is *not* microsoft-controlled (unless you > >>> assume the manufacturer put in some kind of backdoor, in which case > >>> you're screwed anyway). > >> Yes it is microsoft controlled, they're the ones who made the standard > >> and conveniently left out the owner controlled mandate in sb 2.0 once > >> the attention died down. > >> It will eventually be used to prevent people from running linux all > >> together at least your own linux not one that is approved by red hat. > > Where are these boards. I've never seen one that doesnt' let you shut it > > off or use your own keys? > The MS ARM "Windows RT" tablets for one - with those they test the waters. > SB 2.0 leaves out the owner control mandate - go examine the specs and > see for yourself. > > Smartphones were actually the first area the walled garden was tested on. > I am old enough to remember the PalmOS era when installing apps on a > smartphone was the same as the average win32 model of downloading > something off the internet not a walled garden app store - folks like > apple/ms have the masses convinced that it has always been a walled > garden but that is not the case. > > Time will tell, but right now as Richard Stallman thinks "its failed its > > intended purpose" > This is a slow burn effort - doing it all at once straight away would > lead to protest. > > and Why Red Hat? > Red hat controls linux and is microsoft friendly - because their > developers control many critical linux programs they ARE a modern > desktop linux. Why do you think so distros suddenly adopted systemd > against the opinions of their users? or why so many core programs now > require red hat controlled systemd? (like gnome and udev) > Red hat accepted "secure" boot and got a grub and kernel signed by MS - > such an action is a betrayal. > > Soon you will not even be able run the apps you please on the average > store bought computer enforcing a MS monopoly where they get a cut of > every app sale. > MS says "Windows 10 S is not well-suited for many app > developers/hackers, admins & IT pro's!" > How do you create the next generation of those? They ALL learn on their > parents computer not some "developer edition" which not even wealthy > parents buy their children. > Windows S, a locked down walled garden PC is the future of computing.
tablets and phones? I'd have to see it to believe it. Qubes is a beast for a beastly desktop. it got me back into building them lol. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/e5cb0dd0-95f6-4105-9fbf-2c3aff9f63b0%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
