On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 5:21:16 AM UTC-5, awokd wrote:
> On Fri, September 7, 2018 10:21 pm, Guy Frank wrote:
> > On Friday, September 7, 2018 at 4:15:23 PM UTC-5, Guy Frank wrote:
> >
> >> On Friday, September 7, 2018 at 5:34:49 AM UTC-5, Marcus Linsner wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Friday, September 7, 2018 at 12:27:04 PM UTC+2, Marcus Linsner
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Actually I just looked, my MBR starts with lots of zeroes until the
> >>>> partitions are defined
> >>>
> >>> In fact the MBR contains the definition of only one (dummy)partition,
> >>> since it's GPT, like:
> >>>
> >>> [ctor@dom0 ~]$ sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=here.mbr bs=512 count=1
> >>> 1+0 records in
> >>> 1+0 records out
> >>> 512 bytes copied, 8.5102e-05 s, 6.0 MB/s
> >>> [ctor@dom0 ~]$ fdisk -l here.mbr
> >>> GPT PMBR size mismatch (468862127 != 0) will be corrected by w(rite).
> >>> Disk here.mbr: 512 B, 512 bytes, 1 sectors
> >>> Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
> >>> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
> >>> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
> >>> Disklabel type: dos
> >>> Disk identifier: 0x00000000
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Device     Boot Start       End   Sectors   Size Id Type
> >>> here.mbr1           1 468862127 468862127 223.6G ee GPT
> >>>
> >>> but this doesn't matter.
> >>>
> >>> I see the 'Boot' field is present only here (when type is dos, but
> >>> not when type is gpt)
> >>
> >> Hi Marcus:  Thanks so much for your input on this!  You're on the right
> >> track to think this is a UEFI issue.  I've learned more about my
> >> problem, so let me explain.
> >>
> >> I have new hardware and the BIOS that comes w/ it *absolutely refuses*
> >> to run MBRs for internal storage (HDD, SSD).  Problem is that when I
> >> transfer the Qubes ISO over to a USB drive, it sets up the drive with a
> >> MBR (fdisk -l shows 'msdos' or 'dos').  Apparently the Qubes installer
> >> takes a cue from the install medium and installs with a MBR, not with
> >> UEFI / GPT (again, checked with fdisk -l).  When I try to run the
> >> installation, even though it's all there, the BIOS refuses to treat the
> >> installation as a bootable disk--so it boots nothing and throws an
> >> error.
> >>
> >> If I understand your suggestion, it's to set the BIOS to UEFI and try
> >> to install.  Problem is it will not read my usb drive with the Qubes
> >> install on it--because the drive has a MBR and UEFI mode will not read
> >> a thumb drive that isn't UEFI / GPT.
> >>
> >> I therefore looked for instructions on how to convert the Qubes
> >> installation USB drive to UEFI / GPT (and then install w/ BIOS set to
> >> UEFI).  I followed the instructions here:
> >>
> >>
> >> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/thinkpad-troubleshooting/
> >>
> >>
> >> Ran into two problems.  One is that I get an error at the end of
> >> creating the GPT thumb drive saying that there is no grub.cfg file to
> >> write out to the USB.  [specifically: sed: can't read
> >> /run/tgttmp.xI67OE/EFI/BOOT/grub.cfg: No such file or directory]  Have
> >> no idea what causes that, but perhaps a grub.cfg is not essential.  The
> >> second problem I run into is that, contrary to the instructions, I see
> >> no xen.cfg under .../EFI/BOOT, just a BOOT.cfg.  I change the label to
> >> BOOT in this cfg file, the only one in that directory.
> >>
> >>
> >> When I try to install, I get a 'Panic on CPU 0' and installation halts
> >> before I get to the Qubes GUI install.  The error seems to be that Xen
> >> can't read the cmos time to set its time.  One of the calls is to
> >> efi_get_time.
> >>
> >> When I installed from a MBR USB stick, I got to the Qubes QUI install
> >> w/o any fatal errors.  So am guessing there's something about
> >> efi_get_time that isn't cooperating w/ my computer's hardware.
> >>
> >> At this point, I don't know whether I should give up because Qubes is
> >> not yet compatible with my hardware (Dell Precision 3630), or whether I
> >> should continue my efforts, perhaps by finding alternative instructions
> >> for creating UEFI USB sticks for installation.
> >>
> >> Best, Guy
> >>
> >
> >
> > OK, then, I read somewhere that DVD-ROM installations will install either
> > UEFI or Legacy, depending on the setting of the BIOS.  So, I tried
> > burning a DVD w/ Qubes and running that.  I get the same error as above,
> > including the efi time problem (which I suspect also shows the install is
> > going to UEFI), so it looks like when I do succeed in installing from a
> > UEFI media, I simply run headlong into a software bug related to my newer
> > hardware.  I can't find any info on the bug online and have no idea how I
> > might fix it.  Qubes, then, looks like it's out for me.  This is the 2nd
> > time I've tried to use Qubes and run into severe problems.  Oh well,
> > would be a great OS to be using, but if I can't, I can't.
> 
> If you do want to give this another go at some point, try this one:
> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/uefi-troubleshooting/#installation-freezes-before-getting-to-anaconda--disable-efi-runtime-services
> . It's an ugly solution but let me get Qubes installed on a troublesome
> computer.

Hi awokd:  Thanks for the astute reply.  I've been meaning to mention on this 
board that I tried exactly what you are suggesting.  And, yup, Qubes installed. 
 However, there have been some problems.  I'll open a new post with my problems 
on that.

Thanks again!
Guy

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