On 11/17/2018 02:06 AM, 799 wrote:> Hello Taiidan, > > Am Sa., 17. Nov. 2018, 03:21 hat taii...@gmx.com <taii...@gmx.com> > geschrieben: > >> [...] >> I am the counterpart to you guys somehow getting the tech media to >> publish glorified press releases for you and everything I say is true. >> > > Which articles do you mean? Here are two examples of how the tech media glorifies them
https://www.zdnet.com/article/purism-adds-open-source-security-firmware-to-its-linux-laptop-line/ https://www.pcworld.com/article/2860446/this-freedom-loving-laptop-discovered-how-to-make-intel-cpus-boot-without-closed-firmware.html > > People need to know the truth about what they would be purchasing, this >> issue isn't and never was the fact that you are selling non-free laptops >> - it is that you are claiming they are somehow open source >> firwmare/libre/me disabled when they are not and could never be. >> > > So a free laptop is a laptop that has everything Purism does but including > disabled ME? No, a free laptop has no hardware enforced code signing, no me/psp and 100% open source hardware init - purism has none of those. > At the same time you're saying it is impossible to do so? Impossible with new x86 hardware. > So Purism would be the most free laptop you can buy today from shelf, is > this correct? No you can buy a g505s (owner controlled) or one of the various ivy/sandybridge laptops that run coreboot all of which are more free. > Doesn't sound to bad to me ;-) > > Remember any code exploit for ME is illegal in the US and buying new >> intel/amd x86 hardware supports further anti-feature development...why >> not make an OpenPOWER laptop? nothing is stopping you besides the false >> belief that it is somehow impossible to make and sell owner controlled >> hardware that is fast and modern - other companies are doing instead of >> trying. >> > > Where can I buy a OpenPOWER Laptop and how will this help me and will Qubes > OS run on it (today)? There aren't any thats what I am trying to say - but it is possible and since other companies are creating real owner controlled hardware with Risc-V, OpenPOWER, etc (not laptops tho) since those two archs CPU's have TDP's in the laptop range there is nothing stopping them. > > The business model of somehow keeping up open source firmware releases >> with new x86 hardware without any vendor cooperation is impossible - it >> would take years and millions to reverse engineer FSP thus x86 will >> never be free. >> > > This maybe correct, but then there is no need to use this argument in every > discussion. > We must try to do what is currently possible. > This is also how I understand the "reasonable" in the quote "reasonable > secure". > Best effort and delivering is most time a better approach than trying to be > perfect. > > Get an A10 quad core G505s (no ME/PSP) IMO it isn't that hard to compile >> and install coreboot - myself and various others are willing to help >> owner controlled system users for free if you run in to trouble. >> > > The G505s is a very ugly have and old machine which seems to be a consumer > notebook. > In my opinion (!) I totally respect that others have a different opinion. > But please do also accept that some people just don't want to buy this > laptop for their own personal reasons. > > Todd weaver started and owns the company so he isn't mis-informed he is >> simply used to making claims he can't deliver because he has no ethics, >> no real technical skills and he still fails to listen to those who do. >> > > Do you know Todd? What is the problem for blaming people. I think it's > great that people have choices!! > You have even the choice to setup your own company ;-) I don't have millions in VC so no I can't set up my own company I can barely feed myself since no one hires native people where I live these days. > > > I really don't understand why there is so much engagement blaming purism. > I think it is really great if people have the chance to by "other" laptops. > And a Purism Laptop is "very likely higher on the reasonable secure" scale > than a normal Windows Laptop and even from a laptop running Qubes without > Coreboot and Co. I simply want them to stop lying! - have them stop being dishonest marketing! > > Honestly I wouldn't feel much more secure even if Intel ME is completely > gone, I think that the attack surface is reduced when running Qubes, > Coreboot or if I buy purism. > > Purism is good in marketing and this is not a crime. It is a crime since it is very dishonest - in america that is considered an anti-competitive practice. > There are so much > people who will never ever buy hardware which is 5years old, and spent lots > of time installing Linux/Coreboot etc. > But still they might be interested running "better" hardware or software > and are interested in getting support. > Therefore I am lucky that companies are selling Linux to those people. > > Purism, thinkpenguin, all others -> THANKS! Thinkpenguin is honest - the others aren't - don't thank companies that set the real open hardware movement back years and turn people off of everything once they find out they have been scammed. > > @taiidan: > And thank you for your community engagement, don't get me wrong. > > - O > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 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