@unman: thanks for that I also noticed that qubes-updates-proxy.service fails by default on startup and I'm unsure if that is a minimal template-only problem but I was able to fix it thanks to it indicating that the problem is a missing folder: /var/run/qubes-service/qubes-updates-proxy
Pretty much the same problem that I get with clocksync service thankfully so I was able to confirm that this service was running as intended systemctl status qubes-updates-proxy: qubes-updates-proxy.service - Qubes updates proxy (tinyproxy) Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/qubes-updates-proxy.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled) Active: active (running) since Thu 2019-06-27 12:06:14 +08; 2s ago Process: 1603 ExecStartPre=/usr/lib/qubes/iptables-updates-proxy start (code=e xited, status=0/SUCCESS) Main PID: 1608 (tinyproxy) Tasks: 3 (limit: 414) Memory: 4.1M CGroup: /system.slice/qubes-updates-proxy.service ├─1608 /usr/bin/tinyproxy -d -c /etc/tinyproxy/tinyproxy-updates.conf ├─1609 /usr/bin/tinyproxy -d -c /etc/tinyproxy/tinyproxy-updates.conf └─1610 /usr/bin/tinyproxy -d -c /etc/tinyproxy/tinyproxy-updates.conf Jun 27 12:06:14 redacted systemd[1]: Starting Qubes updates proxy (tinyproxy)... Jun 27 12:06:14 redacted systemd[1]: Started Qubes updates proxy (tinyproxy). Jun 27 12:06:14 redacted tinyproxy-wrapper[1608]: Found tinyproxy at /usr/bin/tinyproxy Despite this however, the problem still persists and still behaves the same even after trying dnf update for 5 times I think is right about the fact that there is a bug about this @Chris I think you may be right about the fact that this is a bug and I guess it's time to escalate it into an issue in github. I'm willing to lend a helping hand in making the issue as needed. My setup is all fully dependent on variations of fedora-30-minimal template that I have tailored depending on use-case of the AppVM that would be using it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/56db9edd-8442-4a7c-a46b-30b9ca97c1cf%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.