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On Mon, May 04, 2020 at 09:50:31PM +0200, Ulrich Windl wrote:
> Sorry, the problem with Windows is that it was designed for stupid people,
> just to sell more copies.
I'll simply assume this is more a statement of frustration then a
serious attempt to explain anything.
> I severely doubt you can convince the typical Windows user to use QubesOS for
> daily work. "Security" is not a product you can buy, and "security" is the
> "is the opposite of "comfort".
Security and comfort are more like two opposing poles of a continuum.
Personally I do think Qubes does a rather excellent job of
demonstrating "reasonable security".
It is rather unrealistic (at this point) to expect the average user to
install and configure Qubes correctly - agreed. However I can imagine it
being used by average users in a government/business context with a
normal amount of training (they would received for any other newly
introduced solution too).
Actually once installed and configured correctly there isn't much
difference at all. You'd have to teach them to
- pay attention to the color of the window frame
- how to use copy/paste
- how to move files between domains
- how to attach USB devices and when that's OK and when not*
*e.g. webcam/mic for conferencing = OK, USB stick to
confidential domain = Not OK etc.
> People want comfort not security. Why else would they use Alexa or Google
> assistant or Siri, dubious password managers, etc.?
Sure. This is all about context. Qubes for private use without the user
recognizing the need is unrealistic. And even with the ones recognizing
the need Qubes in it's current from might not be there quite yet.
However, efforts like the preconfigured Privacy Beast are a very
encouraging step in that direction.
/Sven
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