Hi,
We will remove all figures in section 6 showing the different configurations of 
marking bits related to specific protocols. We will only mention in general 
that various experimentations has been done.

Regards,
Massimo
(and co-authors in CC)




From: David Schinazi <[email protected]>
Sent: venerdì 12 maggio 2023 21:05
To: Lucas Pardue <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]; IETF IPPM WG ([email protected]) <[email protected]>; Bulgarella 
Fabio (Guest) <[email protected]>; Cociglio Mauro 
(outlook.com) <[email protected]>; [email protected]; Nilo 
Massimo <[email protected]>
Subject: [EXT] Re: [ippm] QUIC concerns relating to 
draft-ietf-ippm-explicit-flow-measurements

I agree with Lucas here. If the authors are in the process of writing separate 
drafts for how to encode this in COAP, QUIC, and TCP - then adding 
informational references to those drafts in an example section sounds like a 
good plan, but showing how to use specific bits in this draft (even in an 
appendix) without actually registering them will likely lead to confusion.

David

On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 10:25 AM Lucas Pardue 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi Nilo,

On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 6:11 PM Nilo Massimo 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
 wrote:
Hi,
first of all thanks for the many comments received.
As jointly agreed at the time with the chairs of the IPPM, QUIC and TSWG WGs, 
this draft is general and its purpose is to describe only the measurement 
methodologies in a protocol independent way. In order to describe their 
application to a certain protocol, it was agreed to present a specific draft in 
the related WG.
So to give an example, with regard to the COAP protocol, this was done by 
submitting a draft in the CORE WG. See 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-core-coap-pm/
Therefore, with regard to the QUIC protocol, we will prepare a draft to be 
presented in the QUIC WG which will address the issues highlighted in this 
thread and details related to the possible future implementation.

As for this draft 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-explicit-flow-measurements , 
we will write a new version of it where the section 6 will be placed in a draft 
appendix and renamed to Experimental Examples.
In this way (we hope) it will be clear that we are talking about experiments 
made, and that they must not be interpreted as implementation.

If the other co-authors agree, we can proceed to make a new version of the 
draft.

Given that section 6 just seems to be a trivial presentation of how to assign 
bits in QUIC's 7 bit space, I don't really see what the value of talking about 
any specifics are. What benefit would the authors see in keeping an appendix?
Cheers
Lucas


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