They are "reaching for the stars". Pardon my jest, but I couldn't resist.
Ravi -----Original Message----- From: r-devel-boun...@r-project.org [mailto:r-devel-boun...@r-project.org] On Behalf Of Uwe Ligges Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 10:01 AM To: Frank Harrell Cc: r-devel@r-project.org Subject: Re: [Rd] Regression stars On 12.02.2013 15:42, Frank Harrell wrote: > Uwe I've been consulting for decades and have never once been asked > for such stars. Honestly: last time I have been asked last week. And when I answered (in another case few months ago) "OK, I can add you another 5 stars for p values smaller than 0.5" they did not find it too funny. Best, Uwe > And when a clinical researcher puts a sentence in a study protocol > that P<0.05 will be considered "significant" I get them to take it out. > > Frank > > Uwe Ligges-3 wrote >> On 12.02.2013 14:54, Ben Bolker wrote: >>> Duncan Murdoch >> <murdoch.duncan <at> >> gmail.com> writes: >>> >>> [snip] >>>> >>>> Regarding stringsAsFactors: I'm not going to defend keeping it as >>>> is, I'll let the people who like it defend it. >>> >>> Would someone (anyone) like to come forward and give us a >>> defense of stringsAsFactors=TRUE -- even someone who doesn't >>> personally like it but would like to play devil's advocate? >> >> Sure: >> I will have to change all my scripts, my teaching examples, my book, >> and lots of code examples for research and particularly consulting jobs. >> >> Personally, I think having stringsAsFactors=TRUE is not too bad for >> read.table() but less useful for data.frame(). >> >> And since you ask for the devil's advocate already, related to the >> subject line: Removing stars is horrible for consulting: With all >> those people from biology, medicine and other fields who even ask us >> questions in term of significance stars that are obviously very common for >> them. >> Many of them will certainly ask us for the stars, and ask us to >> switch to another software product once they do not get it from R. >> They may not be interested in being taught about the advantages or >> disadvantages of p-values or stars. >> >> There are different use cases of R, and I want to keep stars for >> consulting tasks where things have to be delivered within minutes. I >> am happy with or without for teaching, where I have the time and can >> easily talk about the sense and nonsense of p-values. >> >> >> Best, >> Uwe >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>>> What I will likely do is >>>> make a few changes so that character vectors are automatically >>>> changed to factors in modelling functions, so that operating with >>>> stringsAsFactors=FALSE doesn't trigger silly warnings. >>>> >>>> Duncan Murdoch >>>> >>> >>> [apologies for snipping context: "gmane made me do it"] >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> > >> R-devel@ > >> mailing list >>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel >>> >> >> ______________________________________________ > >> R-devel@ > >> mailing list >> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel > > > > > > ----- > Frank Harrell > Department of Biostatistics, Vanderbilt University > -- > View this message in context: > http://r.789695.n4.nabble.com/Regression-stars-tp4657795p4658268.html > Sent from the R devel mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ______________________________________________ > R-devel@r-project.org mailing list > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel > ______________________________________________ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel ______________________________________________ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
