I think it may have been John D. Cook who first observed that p-values are linearly correlated with the amount of time remaining on a grant.
Perhaps a suitable transform would reveal an ordinal relationship with stars. On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 7:03 AM, Ravi Varadhan <ravi.varad...@jhu.edu>wrote: > They are "reaching for the stars". Pardon my jest, but I couldn't resist. > > Ravi > > -----Original Message----- > From: r-devel-boun...@r-project.org [mailto:r-devel-boun...@r-project.org] > On Behalf Of Uwe Ligges > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 10:01 AM > To: Frank Harrell > Cc: r-devel@r-project.org > Subject: Re: [Rd] Regression stars > > > > On 12.02.2013 15:42, Frank Harrell wrote: > > Uwe I've been consulting for decades and have never once been asked > > for such stars. > > Honestly: last time I have been asked last week. > > And when I answered (in another case few months ago) "OK, I can add you > another 5 stars for p values smaller than 0.5" they did not find it too > funny. > > Best, > Uwe > > > And when a clinical researcher puts a sentence in a study protocol > > that P<0.05 will be considered "significant" I get them to take it out. > > > > Frank > > > > Uwe Ligges-3 wrote > >> On 12.02.2013 14:54, Ben Bolker wrote: > >>> Duncan Murdoch > >> <murdoch.duncan <at> > >> gmail.com> writes: > >>> > >>> [snip] > >>>> > >>>> Regarding stringsAsFactors: I'm not going to defend keeping it as > >>>> is, I'll let the people who like it defend it. > >>> > >>> Would someone (anyone) like to come forward and give us a > >>> defense of stringsAsFactors=TRUE -- even someone who doesn't > >>> personally like it but would like to play devil's advocate? > >> > >> Sure: > >> I will have to change all my scripts, my teaching examples, my book, > >> and lots of code examples for research and particularly consulting jobs. > >> > >> Personally, I think having stringsAsFactors=TRUE is not too bad for > >> read.table() but less useful for data.frame(). > >> > >> And since you ask for the devil's advocate already, related to the > >> subject line: Removing stars is horrible for consulting: With all > >> those people from biology, medicine and other fields who even ask us > >> questions in term of significance stars that are obviously very common > for them. > >> Many of them will certainly ask us for the stars, and ask us to > >> switch to another software product once they do not get it from R. > >> They may not be interested in being taught about the advantages or > >> disadvantages of p-values or stars. > >> > >> There are different use cases of R, and I want to keep stars for > >> consulting tasks where things have to be delivered within minutes. I > >> am happy with or without for teaching, where I have the time and can > >> easily talk about the sense and nonsense of p-values. > >> > >> > >> Best, > >> Uwe > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> > >>>> What I will likely do is > >>>> make a few changes so that character vectors are automatically > >>>> changed to factors in modelling functions, so that operating with > >>>> stringsAsFactors=FALSE doesn't trigger silly warnings. > >>>> > >>>> Duncan Murdoch > >>>> > >>> > >>> [apologies for snipping context: "gmane made me do it"] > >>> > >>> ______________________________________________ > >>> > > > >> R-devel@ > > > >> mailing list > >>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel > >>> > >> > >> ______________________________________________ > > > >> R-devel@ > > > >> mailing list > >> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > Frank Harrell > > Department of Biostatistics, Vanderbilt University > > -- > > View this message in context: > > http://r.789695.n4.nabble.com/Regression-stars-tp4657795p4658268.html > > Sent from the R devel mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > ______________________________________________ > > R-devel@r-project.org mailing list > > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel > > > > ______________________________________________ > R-devel@r-project.org mailing list > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel > > ______________________________________________ > R-devel@r-project.org mailing list > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel > -- *A model is a lie that helps you see the truth.* * * Howard Skipper<http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/31/9/1173.full.pdf> [[alternative HTML version deleted]] ______________________________________________ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
