1) I have the following data situation: 96 plots 12 varieties 2 time points 2 technical treatments
the experiment is arranged as follows: a single plot has two varieties tested on it. if variety A on plot #1 has treatment T1 applied to it, then variety B on plot #1 has treatment T2 applied to it. across the whole experiment variety A is exposed to treatment T1 the same number of times as treatment T2. with respect to time points, plots come in 3 kinds. (1) varietyA, timepoint#1 vs. variety B, timepoint#1 (2) varietyA timepoint #2 vs. varietyB timepoint #2, and (3) varietyA timepoint #1 vs. variety A timepoint#2 plots and varieties are random samples from a population of plots and varieties, so they are random effects. The technical treatment and timepoints are fixed effects. i am particularly interested in the variance components for variety and timepoint within variety, in the estimate for the fixed stage effect and in the predictions (BLUP) for variety and stage within variety. My First Question is about specifying the random part of the lme() statement the fixed part is Measurement~Treatment+Time the random part, i think, should include random=~1|variety/time or equivalently(?) list(variety=~1,Time=~1) but how do i also specify that plot should be a random effect? it's not nested within variety, nor is variety nested within it. 2) I have fixed effects as above where each only has two kinds (2 Treatments, 2 Times). When I use lme and look at the estimates for the fixed effects I get output that looks like: >summary(asdf.lme) ... Fixed effects: Measurement ~ Treatment+Time Value Std.Error ... (Intercept) xxx xxx TreatmentHot xxx xxx TimeEarly xxx xxx Correlation ... where my two treatments are Hot and Cold and my two times are Early and Late and the xxx are actual numbers. Why isnt there any line for the Cold treatment and the late time? is it because these necessarily are the opposite of the Hot and Early ones so putting them in would be redundant (i.e. Hot+Cold=0, Early+Late=0)? Thanks much, Scott Rifkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] ______________________________________________ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list https://www.stat.math.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html