On 2023-11-01 12:59 pm, Mikael Jagan wrote:
A hack that seems to work is (whitespace added for readability):

      \newcommand{\Seqn}{
        \ifelse{latex}{
          \Sexpr[results=rd]{if (getRversion() < "4.2.2") "\\\\\\\\eqn{#1}" else
"\\\\\\\\eqn{#2}"}
        }{
          \ifelse{html}{
            \Sexpr[results=rd]{if (getRversion() < "4.2.0") "\\\\\\\\eqn{#1}"
else "\\\\\\\\eqn{#2}"}
          }{
            \Sexpr[results=rd]{"\\\\\\\\eqn{#2}"}
          }
        }
      }

Er, the above is wrong, because '<' should be '>=' and because '#2' (which
is conceptually verbatim text) should use \verb{} for PDF and HTML output,
not \eqn{}.  For Matrix 1.6-2 I have created man/macros/local.Rd and added:

\newcommand{\Seqn}{\ifelse{latex}{\Sexpr[results=rd]{if (getRversion() >= "4.2.2") "\\\\\\\\eqn{#1}" else "\\\\\\\\verb{#2}"}}{\ifelse{html}{\Sexpr[results=rd]{if (getRversion() >= "4.2.0") "\\\\\\\\eqn{#1}" else "\\\\\\\\verb{#2}"}}{\Sexpr[results=rd]{"\\\\\\\\eqn{#2}"}}}}

\newcommand{\Sdeqn}{\ifelse{latex}{\Sexpr[results=rd]{if (getRversion() >= "4.2.2") "\\\\\\\\deqn{#1}" else "\\\\\\\\preformatted{#2}"}}{\ifelse{html}{\Sexpr[results=rd]{if (getRversion() >= "4.2.0") "\\\\\\\\deqn{#1}" else "\\\\\\\\preformatted{#2}"}}{\Sexpr[results=rd]{"\\\\\\\\deqn{#2}"}}}}

Now Matrix 1.6-2 passes its Rd checks under my checkout of R-3-5-branch.
Some examples and tests fail for unrelated reasons.  I'll fix those, too ...

Mikael


as amsmath support for PDF output and KaTeX support for HTML output
were introduced in R 4.2.2 and 4.2.0, respectively.

Sadly I really do seem to need 8 escapes:

      \Seqn{\\\\\\\\text{min}(m,n) \\\\\\\\times n}{min(m,n)-by-n}

Maybe one of the Rd experts here can suggest an improvement ...

Mikael

On 2023-11-01 5:06 am, Martin Maechler wrote:
Uwe Ligges
      on Wed, 1 Nov 2023 06:26:23 +0100 writes:

      > On 01.11.2023 03:51, Mikael Jagan wrote:
      >> Thanks.  It seems that we were mistaken in our feeling (IIRC) that it 
would
      >> be "OK" to implicitly require '--no-manual' on versions of R from 
3.5.0 to
      >> 4.2.1, not changing our Depends.
      >>
      >> We will fix this in Matrix 1.6-2, probably by conditionalizing or 
otherwise
      >> replacing the amsmath commands and probably _not_ by changing to 
depend on
      >> R >= 4.2.2.  Martin may have more to say in "the morning".

I agree (*not* to raise Matrix pkg's R version dependency).

      > Note that dependin on R >= 4.2.2 does not work. We need dependencies of
      > the form R >= x.y.0. This is also part of the checks.

Yes, indeed.
And as we learned, R >= 4.2.0 would not help for r-oldrel-macos

I (am unhappy but) agree to take the responsibility for our
decision to go ahead and use much nicer LaTeX formula for
matrices etc, in our help pages {thinking that indeed people who'd
install Matrix on an old R version would always be able to read
Matrix manual pages via web search (as it seems to me 95% of
people do nowadays) ... or then have someone in their
organization to figure out how to use a newer amsmath (latex) package if
   they really really want the Matrix pdf manual offline}.

Martin

      > Reason is that we have only one binary repository for one R-x.y.?
      > series. On WIndows, where we check with R-4.2.3, a binary would be
      > created and hence R-4.2.[0-1] would not see any valid Matrix binaries.

      > So please either make this work on R >= 4.2.0 or require R >= 4.3.0. If
      > the latter, ideally with an interim version that works for R >= 4.2.0,
      > so that we valid binaries with correct dependency declarations again.

      > Best,
      > Uwe

      >> In the mean time (i.e., while we are stuck with Matrix 1.6-1.1), it may
      >> help
      >> to update to R 4.2.3 on r-oldrel-macos-* and/or to have EdSurvey 
revert its
      >> strict version requirement, unless there are clear examples justifying 
one.
      >>
      >> Mikael
      >>
      >>
      >> On 2023-10-31 8:17 pm, Simon Urbanek wrote:
      >>> Mikael,
      >>>
      >>> in that case I think your requirements are wrong - Matrix says R >=
      >>> 3.5.0 which is apparently incorrect - from what you say it should be
      >>> 4.2.2?. I can certainly update to 4.2.3 if necessary.
      >>>
      >>> Cheers,
      >>> Simon
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>> On 1/11/2023, at 9:19 AM, Mikael Jagan <jagan...@gmail.com> wrote:
      >>>>
      >>>> Thanks.  We did see those ERRORs, stemming from use (since Matrix 
1.6-0)
      >>>> of amsmath commands in Rd files.  These have been supported since R
      >>>> 4.2.2,
      >>>> but r-oldrel-macos-* (unlike r-oldrel-windows-*) continues to run R
      >>>> 4.2.0.
      >>>> My expectation was that those machines would begin running R >= 4.2.2
      >>>> well
      >>>> before the R 4.4.0 release, but apparently that was wrong.
      >>>>
      >>>> I am hesitant to complicate our Rd files with conditions on R 
versions
      >>>> only to support PDF output for R < 4.2.2, but maybe we can consider 
it
      >>>> for the Matrix 1.6-2 release if it is really a barrier for others ...
      >>>>
      >>>> Mikael
      >>>>
      >>>> On 2023-10-31 3:33 pm, Simon Urbanek wrote:
      >>>>> Mikael,
      >>>>> current Matrix fails checks on R-oldrel so that's why only the last
      >>>>> working version is installed:
      >>>>> https://cran.r-project.org/web/checks/check_results_Matrix.html
      >>>>> Cheers,
      >>>>> Simon
On 1/11/2023, at 4:05 AM, Mikael Jagan <jagan...@gmail.com> wrote:
      >>>>>>
I am guessing that they mean EdSurvey:
      >>>>>>
      https://cran.r-project.org/web/checks/check_results_EdSurvey.html
      >>>>>>
Probably Matrix 1.6-1.1 is not installed on r-oldrel-macos-arm64,
even though it can be, because it was not released until R 4.3-z.
      >>>>>>
AFAIK, methods for 'qr' have not been touched since Matrix 1.6-0, and
even those changes should have been backwards compatible, modulo
handling
of dimnames (class sparseQR gained a Dimnames slot in 1.6-0).
      >>>>>>
So I don't see a clear reason for requiring 1.6-1.1.  Requiring 1.6-0
might make sense, if somehow EdSurvey depends on how class sparseQR
preserves dimnames.  But IIRC our rev. dep. checks at that time did
not
reveal problems with EdSurvey.
      >>>>>>
Mikael
      >>>>>>
On 2023-10-31 7:00 am, r-package-devel-requ...@r-project.org wrote:
      >>>>>>> Paul,
      >>>>>>> can you give us a bit more detail? Which package, which build and
      >>>>>>> where you got the errors? Older builds may not have the latest
      >>>>>>> Matrix.
      >>>>>>> Cheers,
      >>>>>>> Simon
      >>>>>>>> On 31/10/2023, at 11:26 AM, Bailey, Paul via
      >>>>>>>> R-package-devel<r-package-devel@r-project.org>  wrote:
      >>>>>>>>
      >>>>>>>> Hi,
      >>>>>>>>
      >>>>>>>> I'm the maintainer for a few packages, one of which is currently
      >>>>>>>> failing CRAN checks on Mac OS because Matrix is not available in
      >>>>>>>> my required version (the latest). I had to fix a few things due
      >>>>>>>> to changes in the latest Matrix package because of how qr works
      >>>>>>>> and I thought, given the apparent API change, I should then
      >>>>>>>> require the latest version. My error is, "Package required and
      >>>>>>>> available but unsuitable version: 'Matrix'"
      >>>>>>>>
      >>>>>>>> When I look at the NEWS in Matrix there is no mention of Mac OS
      >>>>>>>> issues, what the latest stable version of Matrix is, nor when a
      >>>>>>>> fix is expected. What version do MacOS version test Matrix with
      >>>>>>>> by default? Where is this documented? I assumes it always tested
      >>>>>>>> with the latest version on CRAN, so I'm a bit surprised. Or will
      >>>>>>>> this be resolved soon and I shouldn't bother CRAN maintainers
      >>>>>>>> with a new version of my package?
      >>>>>>>>
      >>>>>>>> Best,
      >>>>>>>> Paul
      >>>>>>>>
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      >>>>>>
      >>>>
      >>>
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