On 20-09-2013, at 15:08, John Fox <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Brian, > > I've modified the Mac installation instructions again to add back the check > for a prior installation of X-Windows. The instructions are at > <http://socserv.socsci.mcmaster.ca/jfox/Misc/Rcmdr/installation-notes.html>. >
A small typo in your instructions: Check to see whehter the X11 …... Berend > Thanks for your help, > John > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Prof Brian Ripley [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 8:37 AM >> To: John Fox >> Cc: 'r-sig-mac' >> Subject: Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Problems loading Rcmdr on a Mac 10.7.2 and a >> Mac 10.6.8 >> >> On 20/09/2013 12:54, John Fox wrote: >>> Dear Brian, >>> >>> On Fri, 20 Sep 2013 07:49:05 +0100 >>> Prof Brian Ripley <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> On 20/09/2013 01:52, John Fox wrote: >>>>> Dear Sarah, >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Sarah Hardy [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 8:08 PM >>>>>> To: John Fox >>>>>> Cc: Simon Urbanek; David Winsemius; r-sig-mac >>>>>> Subject: Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Problems loading Rcmdr on a Mac 10.7.2 >> and a >>>>>> Mac 10.6.8 >>>>>> >>>>>> Running the "Software Update" and reinstalling R and Rcmdr worked >> for >>>>>> the student with the 10.7.2. We did not reinstall XQuartz. Now I >> will >>>>> >>>>> I'm glad that this worked. Apparently, the student had an old >> version of >>>>> X-Windows that was updated by Software Update. As Simon explained, >> in this >>>>> situation installing XQuartz is irrelevant because the other >> version of >>>>> X-Windows is invoked by R. >>>>> >>>>>> see if it works for the others. BTW - I have identified at least >> one >>>>>> student with a 10.6.8 who had no problems installing R and Rcmdr >>>>>> without installing XQuartz (per my instructions) - am going to >> check >>>>>> with other students tomorrow. >>>>> >>>>> If the student installed a sufficiently up-to-date X-Windows, that >> should >>>>> work, and apparently did. The X-Windows used needn't be XQuartz. My >> new >>>>> instructions suggest that everyone install XQuartz because that >> will give >>>>> them an up-to-date X-Windows if they don't already have X-windows >> installed, >>>>> and will do no harm if they do have another X-Windows. >>>> >>>> I am not so sure about that. It will do no harm running CRAN binary >> R. But it does mean that there are multiple versions of X11 things >> about >>>> and that will cause problems for other things (including possibly >> installing packages from source). >>> >>> Thanks for pointing out this potential problem. >>> >>> Oh well -- I hoped to have a simple set of instructions, and having >> everyone install XQuartz followed what I took to be Simon's suggestion >> (below). >>> >>> Almost all of the problems people have with the Rcmdr package are on >> the Mac OS X platform, and since most of these people are not >> sophisticated in their computer use, having simple instructions is >> important. >>> >>> How about the following? >>> >>> (1) Run System Update. >>> >>> (2) Check whether X-Windows is installed. (I can restore my previous >> instructions about how to check.) >>> >>> (3) If X-Windows isn't installed, install XQuartz. >> >> I think so. And I have no problem with installing XQuartz on 10.6 or >> 10.7 if Apple X11 is not installed. >> >> Our experience on Solaris (which itself comes with two X11 setups) >> shows >> how easily it is to get them mixed and how hard it can be to >> disentangle. >> >>> >>> etc. >>> >>> Best, >>> John >>> >>> . . . >>> >>>>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>>>> > From: Simon Urbanek [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>> >>>>>> > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:49 AM >>>>>> > To: John Fox >>>>>> > Cc: 'David Winsemius'; 'Sarah Hardy'; 'r-sig-mac' >>>>>> > Subject: Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Problems loading Rcmdr on a Mac 10.7.2 >>>>>> and a >>>>>> > Mac 10.6.8 >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> > Well, the I think it reads far more complicated that in needs to >>>>>> be. >>>>>> > You should have a quickstart section that just says: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > * Install R 3.0.1 or later >>>>>> > * Install XQuartz from http://xquartz.macosforge.org >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Done. Current R only supports 10.6.8+ and so does XQuartz so the >>>>>> above >>>>>> > covers everything that is supported right now (I recall having >>>>>> that >>>>>> > discussion earlier...). >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Then you can have troubleshooting section which says >>>>>> > >>>>>> > a) make sure you installed R with Tcl/Tk (it is the default) - >>>>>> if in >>>>>> > doubt, re-install R from CRAN >>>>>> > b) use Software Update >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Then you can have a technical section with the details you show >>>>>> below, >>>>>> > but 99% of users should not need to read it. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Cheers, >>>>>> > Simon >>> >>> . . . >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Brian D. Ripley, [email protected] >> Professor of Applied Statistics, http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/ >> University of Oxford, Tel: +44 1865 272861 (self) >> 1 South Parks Road, +44 1865 272866 (PA) >> Oxford OX1 3TG, UK Fax: +44 1865 272595 > > _______________________________________________ > R-SIG-Mac mailing list > [email protected] > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac _______________________________________________ R-SIG-Mac mailing list [email protected] https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac
