Dear Berend, > -----Original Message----- > From: Berend Hasselman [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 9:24 AM > To: John Fox > Cc: 'Prof Brian Ripley'; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Problems loading Rcmdr on a Mac 10.7.2 and a > Mac 10.6.8 > > > On 20-09-2013, at 15:08, John Fox <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Dear Brian, > > > > I've modified the Mac installation instructions again to add back the > check > > for a prior installation of X-Windows. The instructions are at > > <http://socserv.socsci.mcmaster.ca/jfox/Misc/Rcmdr/installation- > notes.html>. > > > > A small typo in your instructions: > > Check to see whehter the X11 ....
Thanks. If I spend another week on this, maybe I'll get it right! Best, John > > > Berend > > > Thanks for your help, > > John > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Prof Brian Ripley [mailto:[email protected]] > >> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 8:37 AM > >> To: John Fox > >> Cc: 'r-sig-mac' > >> Subject: Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Problems loading Rcmdr on a Mac 10.7.2 and > a > >> Mac 10.6.8 > >> > >> On 20/09/2013 12:54, John Fox wrote: > >>> Dear Brian, > >>> > >>> On Fri, 20 Sep 2013 07:49:05 +0100 > >>> Prof Brian Ripley <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> On 20/09/2013 01:52, John Fox wrote: > >>>>> Dear Sarah, > >>>>> > >>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>> From: Sarah Hardy [mailto:[email protected]] > >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 8:08 PM > >>>>>> To: John Fox > >>>>>> Cc: Simon Urbanek; David Winsemius; r-sig-mac > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Problems loading Rcmdr on a Mac 10.7.2 > >> and a > >>>>>> Mac 10.6.8 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Running the "Software Update" and reinstalling R and Rcmdr > worked > >> for > >>>>>> the student with the 10.7.2. We did not reinstall XQuartz. Now I > >> will > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm glad that this worked. Apparently, the student had an old > >> version of > >>>>> X-Windows that was updated by Software Update. As Simon > explained, > >> in this > >>>>> situation installing XQuartz is irrelevant because the other > >> version of > >>>>> X-Windows is invoked by R. > >>>>> > >>>>>> see if it works for the others. BTW - I have identified at least > >> one > >>>>>> student with a 10.6.8 who had no problems installing R and Rcmdr > >>>>>> without installing XQuartz (per my instructions) - am going to > >> check > >>>>>> with other students tomorrow. > >>>>> > >>>>> If the student installed a sufficiently up-to-date X-Windows, > that > >> should > >>>>> work, and apparently did. The X-Windows used needn't be XQuartz. > My > >> new > >>>>> instructions suggest that everyone install XQuartz because that > >> will give > >>>>> them an up-to-date X-Windows if they don't already have X-windows > >> installed, > >>>>> and will do no harm if they do have another X-Windows. > >>>> > >>>> I am not so sure about that. It will do no harm running CRAN > binary > >> R. But it does mean that there are multiple versions of X11 things > >> about > >>>> and that will cause problems for other things (including possibly > >> installing packages from source). > >>> > >>> Thanks for pointing out this potential problem. > >>> > >>> Oh well -- I hoped to have a simple set of instructions, and having > >> everyone install XQuartz followed what I took to be Simon's > suggestion > >> (below). > >>> > >>> Almost all of the problems people have with the Rcmdr package are > on > >> the Mac OS X platform, and since most of these people are not > >> sophisticated in their computer use, having simple instructions is > >> important. > >>> > >>> How about the following? > >>> > >>> (1) Run System Update. > >>> > >>> (2) Check whether X-Windows is installed. (I can restore my > previous > >> instructions about how to check.) > >>> > >>> (3) If X-Windows isn't installed, install XQuartz. > >> > >> I think so. And I have no problem with installing XQuartz on 10.6 > or > >> 10.7 if Apple X11 is not installed. > >> > >> Our experience on Solaris (which itself comes with two X11 setups) > >> shows > >> how easily it is to get them mixed and how hard it can be to > >> disentangle. > >> > >>> > >>> etc. > >>> > >>> Best, > >>> John > >>> > >>> . . . > >>> > >>>>>> > -----Original Message----- > >>>>>> > From: Simon Urbanek [mailto:[email protected]] > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:49 AM > >>>>>> > To: John Fox > >>>>>> > Cc: 'David Winsemius'; 'Sarah Hardy'; 'r-sig-mac' > >>>>>> > Subject: Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Problems loading Rcmdr on a Mac > 10.7.2 > >>>>>> and a > >>>>>> > Mac 10.6.8 > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Well, the I think it reads far more complicated that in > needs to > >>>>>> be. > >>>>>> > You should have a quickstart section that just says: > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > * Install R 3.0.1 or later > >>>>>> > * Install XQuartz from http://xquartz.macosforge.org > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > Done. Current R only supports 10.6.8+ and so does XQuartz > so the > >>>>>> above > >>>>>> > covers everything that is supported right now (I recall > having > >>>>>> that > >>>>>> > discussion earlier...). > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > Then you can have troubleshooting section which says > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > a) make sure you installed R with Tcl/Tk (it is the > default) - > >>>>>> if in > >>>>>> > doubt, re-install R from CRAN > >>>>>> > b) use Software Update > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > Then you can have a technical section with the details you > show > >>>>>> below, > >>>>>> > but 99% of users should not need to read it. > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > Cheers, > >>>>>> > Simon > >>> > >>> . . . > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Brian D. 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