> On May 31, 2017, at 10:31 PM, Ramon Diaz-Uriarte <rdia...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I've been intending to ask a somewhat similar question, so I'll jump to this > part directly: > > On Sunday, May 28, 2017 at 10:28:33 PM UTC+2, Matthias Felleisen wrote: > > (...) >> >> Realm of Racket is NOT intended for plain beginners. It says so in the >> Preface. We really tried hard to clarify that we assume some basic >> programming knowledge, such as HtDP or something else (not necessarily >> Racket). I don’t know which reviews you found but I sure hope they >> acknowledge that we already say it’s not intended for 10-year olds. >> >> >> — Matthias > > But does programming in Scratch count as basic programming knowledge? and > what if one works through Realm with an adult (who is supposed to have that > knowledge)?
I think Scratch’s ceiling is too low, but it might just work if a knowledgable adult helps along. I’d still do a tour of Bootstrap first, perhaps faster than planned. > > My 14-year old daughter is working through Realm with me. She started using > Scratch three years ago and eventually lost interest. [That’s what I mean with ‘low ceiling.’] > I looked at bootstrap, we did the "Hour of Code", but she doesn't find video > games interesting (she currently wants to hack an Eliza-like bot therapist). > We also looked at "Picturing Programs" but, again, the pictures didn't entice > her. So I tried Realm. I considered HtDP but I thought it might be too much > of a college textbook for her, and that maybe Realm was a shorter route to > start playing with the existing Eliza code. We are not far into Realm > (finishing ch. 4, where she enjoyed the "stealth conditionals”). A simple Eliza program could soon be within reach. Yes, different kids react to different factors. > > But Matthias' comment has made me wonder again if that was the right > decision: even if, for now, we can work together and I can explain what is > going on, this might not work well when we are further into the book. We > planned on going through HtDP after finishing Realm but should we start with > HtDP first? Trying going back and forth. The AI-ish “games” (it’s really just planing) in Realm might be a good illustration to get to but the necessary material is explained in more pedagogic manner in HtDP. She would need an adult to navigate, because I am really aiming for 16/17 year olds. Good luck and don’t hesitate to ask here about things — Matthias > > > Thanks, > > R. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Racket Users" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to racket-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Racket Users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to racket-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
