Ruben! Yes, I do agree that forums can be a handful to manage for sure; I've ran a few in my time and helped for years with others ( www.lulu.com for example ) and understand the pitfalls. However, the best solution to remove part of the double-edge is to create a firm but fair set of rules to maintain order; use a good forums set that allows you to hide emails and use PMs in-forums (anyone can get a bot onto the mailing list and farm away 10x easier than a good forum package; as well, your search places the email right in plaintext as well-- any good email sniffer app is gonna find them all, converting from <sp>at<sp> to @ while it goes) as well as email verification and more; as well as you retain a respectible forum moderator team which can watch for problems before they arise, lifting the stress off your and other developers' shoulders by placing it in non-developer hands. While it takes a bit to get them rolling, they are effective in the long run as well. I am brainstorming what else may ease this as well.
Andy :) Ruben D. Orduz wrote: > Andrew, > > You're right. However, I think the efforts (or intentions thereof) are > out there. I started messing with the quick start page, sadly I really > haven't had the time to finish even though have every intention to do > so. Some people have already turned useful mailing lists post into > proper Wiki entries. So I think the intention is there is just that > I'm assuming most of us have busy lives that forbid us from spending > couple of hours writing and re-arranging and so forth. > > Forums are the proberbial double-edge sword. In concept it sounds like > a great idea; however in practice, forums require a lot of attention > and time. Have seen way too many times forums turning into boxing > rinks. I've also seen forums turned into SPAM post galore and e-mail > harvesters paradise. Yes they can and are very useful, but John and/or > someone he chooses would have to be lurking around making sure things > roll smothly. > > Yes the documentation needs to be improved and yes communication > *could* be improved; however, I'm not sure forums are the solution. > IMO > > > > On 1/20/07, Andrew Klein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hey all! >> >> You're all probably getting annoyed with hearing from me by this point. >> However, I may have some suggestions pertaining not directly to Radiant >> itself but moreso better communications. >> >> I find that maillists are great for the most part for keeping in contact >> with people, clients, members and so forth and to have linear >> conversations that may not be pertinent down the road. One benefit with >> Radiant's mailgroup setup is that you can search the history of the >> mailgroups. >> >> However, speaking from someone who has developed applications in a group >> setting as well as now being a new adopter of a package developed as a >> group, I'm starting to see that mailgroups and their lack of continuity >> and constraint of 'flow' in a linear message-by-message system, the lack >> of ability to review a group of messages discussing the same topic >> quickly and even moreso difficult when you toss in the fact when people >> change the subject of a line of messages making searching impossible. >> >> My first suggestion is a decent way of communicating. I know you may all >> groan when I say 'forums', but right now the forums may be the best >> option to manage this level of communications effectively. I'm sure it >> would significantly reduce 'reasking' (like I'm sure I did with my last >> email), hunting for links, tracking suggestions and more. I feel that >> with the level of emails coming through the group and the great expanse >> they cover, that forums would be far more logical, not only for now, but >> for the future and ability to track what has been discussed in the past. >> >> My second suggestion is the wiki being more actively maintained by not >> just developers, but the community as well. It is a much more logical >> way to maintain an online 'manual' of sorts where people can place more >> and more documentation for the benefit of the users and developers >> alike. While I feel that the wiki was a great addition; the >> implementation is not being carried through by all. >> >> I hope I am not over-stepping my boundaries; after being on this group >> for a few weeks now, stomping around the site looking for more >> information on expanding, these are the feelings I felt myself. I love >> this system; it's the first CMS I've actually enjoyed messing with. I >> can be as simplistic or detailled as I want to be and makes it easy to >> maintain as well. I am a fan of Ruby and Ruby on Rails, which makes >> this system that much more enjoyable to use. I just do not want to see >> Radiant go downhill and would like to help however I can. >> >> Thank you for listening to my opinion :) >> >> Andrew >> _______________________________________________ >> Radiant mailing list >> Post: [email protected] >> Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ >> Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Radiant mailing list > Post: [email protected] > Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ > Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant > > _______________________________________________ Radiant mailing list Post: [email protected] Search: http://radiantcms.org/mailing-list/search/ Site: http://lists.radiantcms.org/mailman/listinfo/radiant
