Number 1, Minority Presidents. I believe that there have only been 3 in about 220 years. So due to 5.45 % of the elections to date we need this amendment? Amendment 1 is for the really exceptional occurrences. Don't know if I would buy that one. And I don't get the point.

Number 2. We elect all of our judges in Texas, so sure, why not? Also love the originalist bent.

Number 3. Criminalization of homosexuality. Which sends them to prison where a lot of that happens. One would pretty much have to have homosexuals only prisons, or it would spread to the rest of the prison population, like it does today. Which will get you "separate, but equal" lawsuits, integration, etc. More details are needed.

Number 4. Criminalization of Islam. I wonder how long it would be before someone got the wild idea to have an amendment to criminalize Christianity? Be careful what you wish for.

Number 5, Criminalization of coal strip mining in mountain country, but not in the flat lands if no problems with water tables, etc. So I take it that you would have no problem with mining that is NOT strip mining?

Number 6, 3/4 of population instead of 3/4 of the states. So you get Illinois, Ohio, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Pennsylvania and the northeast, Michigan, California, Oregon, Washington, and Florida, and you just might have it. Or would you? This is another of those "protect the small states" from having crap forced down their throat. Maybe.

Number 7, Anti-Gerrymandering Amendment. I can halfway see your point. Problem comes in application, where there simply aren't enough folks in a very large territory. This would reduce rural representation and benefit urban representation by default if one is always seeking the most compact districts. For example, Texas districts 11, 13, 19, and 23 are sparsely populated, for the most part. District 13 (northern Panhandle) adds Wichita Falls, and comes to the doorstep of DFW. District 19 takes in Lubbock and Abilene and also comes to the doorstep of DFW. District 11 contains Midland, Odessa, Big Spring, and San Angelo, but then must dive down and take most of the hill country. District 23 stretches from El Paso to San Antonio, 595 miles if you are keeping track, because there's not a lot of people out there but a heck of a lot of Real Estate. Compact is relative. :-)

Districts 13 and 19 could be thrown together and kept out of the Metroplex, except that Amarillo and Lubbock historically don't get along. For YEARS, 13 came over and included part of Denton County, in the Metroplex proper. Districts 23 and 11 could be thrown together, except one would STILL have to go over to San Antonio to pick up more population numbers, and Midland-Odessa has been in the shadow of San Antonio districts for decades and would really like to be free of them. 75 % (or more) of the Texas population is along and east of I-35 (Laredo to DFW). Everything to the west is "creative" to solve long standing Metropolitan envy among the smaller cities out west, and dipping in the populations to the east to get enough population to meet the minimum.

Number 8 doesn't trip my trigger one way or the other. I happen to work in a largely gender neutral profession, although there tends to be more men.

Number 9 seems like a good idea.

Number 10, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DRINKING???? No really, you risk an armed insurrection in Texas (not to mention Oklahoma, Kansas, New Mexico, Utah, and Arizona) if you attempt to add Mexico. It sounds lofty and laudatory and all, but the border states aren't going to like it. And I'm not sure that it will generate any warmer feelings towards the US from other nations.

Roe V. Wade overturning, Yes.

David

To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.--Thomas Jefferson

 


On 10/10/2010 11:37 PM, [email protected] wrote:
OOPS. Not ratified until 1789  --I knew that ( not ).
EMBARRASSMENT ^2 for a professional historian, think I will go to
a local priest and get his advice on suitable penance.
 
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New Amendments ?
 
Don't get me started. Well, OK, get me started, but you will regret it.
 
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( 1 ) Slight change in the electoral college, add 1 electoral vote for each state
( 50 for now ) to any candidate for prez who wins the USA popular vote.
Keep everything else about it the same, but we don't need any more
minority presidents. "Plus 50" should be sufficient. Otherwise I like
the Electoral College for the reasons envisioned at the time.
Puleeze, don't bring up Al Gore, that is NOT the point
and not something I feel like debating. Anyway, it could have
been W in 2004 if Kerry had taken Ohio, same thing.
 
Provision for recounts only in STATES  ( no national recount )
where the margin of victory is less than 1/4th  of 1 %.
 
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( 2 )  Direct non-partisan national election of Supreme Court Justices
to serve 8 year terms with only one re-election possible.
No more judicial gerontocracy.
 
Staggered elections similar to those for the Senate.
 
Part of the Amendment would make it a requirement to interpret
the Constitution strictly, make Originalist interpretation mandatory.
No more goddamned judicial activism.
 
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( 3 )   Criminalization of homosexuality.
 
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( 4 )   Criminalization of Islam
 
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( 5 )    Criminalization of coal strip mining in mountain country, but
          OK in flat-land areas if no problems with water tables, etc
 
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( 6 )    Change in the Amendment process. An amendment is ratified
           when it is approved by states representing 3/4ths of the US population
           NOT by 3/4ths of states.
 
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( 7 )    Anti-Gerrymandering Amendment. Within some small tolerance allowance,
           all congressional districts shall be as geographically compact as possible,
           with major consideration for local traditions, with the objective of
           making as many districts in all states as politically competitive as possible.
           No more ( or only very few ) "safe" districts which are not competitive.
           And no more racial or ethnic "quotas" in who gets elected.
           Conversely, no districts should be drawn up to disenfranchise
           racial or ethnic minorities.
 
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( 8 )    Sociobiology Amendment, that is, an amendment which says that some
           occupations are, for sociobiological reasons, suited better for one gender
           than for the other. This should not be interpreted to mean a return
           to the situation a century ago, but women in combat would be outlawed,
           maternity leaves for women might be a good idea but would be an absurdity
           for men, and on an  on, putting an end to feminist nonsense once and for all.
 
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( 9 )    Third party representation in Congress. 20 at-large seats would be created
           over and above the current mix, and reserved  for third parties and
           apportioned according to national popular vote totals.
 
           For example, if Libertarians got a lot of  " other "  votes they might end up
           with 5 seats, Greens with 4, Socialists with 3, and so forth. Time to end
           shutting out third parties  --who have always contributed to national debate
           in new and sometimes important ways.
 
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( 10 )   Statehood policy for foreign nations. Make it a permanent part of US policy,
           intrinsic to our system, to seek to expand the republic,  generation after generation
           and eventually bring most of the world into the American system. Usual process.
 
           Period of territorial status, length of time depending on how long it takes people
           to learn English ( hereby the official language ), integrate American institutions
           in an area, become familiar with US law, etc etc. A formula would be agreed to
           such that, say, Mexico , if its people wanted to join, would be divided
           into maybe 20 territories , which would then become states as they become
           ready. Obviously this would allow US citizens, businesses, etc, to do
           whatever is in their perceived best interests, within US law, in Mexico.
           But the idea is much grander and an objective would be to maintain
           some semblance to the current US demographic mix. Russia might sign up,
           for instance, Taiwan, Cyprus, Panama, and I'd go for Haiti, too, to finally
           make that nation into something fit for human habitation, an example
           of what the US can do for even the worst basket-case nation.
           Show the world that we are superior in just about everything.
           Call it the "US Exceptionalism Amendment."
 
 
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Finally, maybe not an amendment, but whatever it takes to retry Roe v Wade
and any other cases which are brought before the High Court on false pretenses.
As everyone should know, Roe v Wade was decided at least partly
on perjured testimony. This should NOT be allowed to stand.
 
 
 
 
 
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Well, lots more where these came from, but for starters.
 
Billy
 
 
 
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So, what are your suggestions ?  Am eager to find out .
Who knows ?  Maybe I will steal a few of your ideas.
 
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In a message dated 10/10/2010 8:33:10 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes:
Of course it's an assumption. '1787' in abstract is real close to the time of drafting and The Federalist Papers and all of that. I know that it was not ratified until 1789.

50 new amendments??? Oh, so you want it to look more like the Texas Constitution with 467 or so?? Not sure that's an improvement there, buddy. :-)

I think that most of the commerce clause "case law" needs to be chunked. If it isn't, that clause may well be the clause that destroys the rest of the document.

You'll have to tell me more about your 50 amendments. There's a few I would like eliminated, I know that.

David

To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.--Thomas Jefferson

 


On 10/10/2010 10:10 PM, [email protected] wrote:
Assumption ? ? ?
 
We need to have that document from back then, I think it was called "The Constitution" or something, actually taken seriously. Instead of serious attempts being made to go around it.
Not remotely my intention although maybe I wasn't sufficiently clear. I was thinking
--metaphorically--  of everything SINCE the Constitution.
 
Actually, to be technical, more like everything from JQ Adams and Andrew Jackson onward.
 
I am a Strict Constructionist / Originalist even if I think we need about 50 new Amendments,
 
BR
 
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In a message dated 10/10/2010 7:08:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes:
I'd have been more impressed with Thomas Jefferson rather than Teddy, but that's my choice. :-)

We need to have that document from back then, I think it was called "The Constitution" or something, actually taken seriously. Instead of serious attempts being made to go around it.

Take the "Bush tax cuts." On 01/01/2011, all tax rates in all brackets go up. It doesn't stop at the dear Presidents line in the sand of $250,000. If you paid ANY taxes, they will go up. I haven't reached that level, and yet the percentage in my bracket is going UP. Do tell me how an increase is a decrease. So all of the hot air about this not impacting the middle class is just that: hot air. To top that off, the Marriage Penalty is back, and allowances for offspring are up for reduction as well.

My former college roommate has a small business. Small businesses basically file a return not that much different from that of an individual. Different deductions and no individual exemptions are about the only difference. With those differences, it does not take long-if you made any money at all-to get up there in the income column. Just as for individual the rates on the brackets go up, the same applies here. So he's probably not going to hire another clerk (even if he needs one due to the increased paperwork in the health insurance sales business), because the new taxes will come close to the salary a clerk would get paid, and the IRS demands its pound of flesh first. So the clerk will not be hired, the IRS has their salary in their vaults.

And pardon me if all I hear lately from the administration is condemnation of the court ruling allowing corporate contributions and condemnation of corporations while they are silent on the unions, due to the massive advantages Democrats have with union thugs. According the the Democratic administration, union thugs are all sweetness and light (even the ones that beat folks up for not voting "correctly") but the only font of wickedness is the Republican party and Corporations. Or have you ignored Obama lately? God knows I've tried...

Does the above paragraph strike you as ludicrous as well? 

One of your other charts confirmed my suspicions, Lehman Brothers gave more the the Republicans than the Democrats, so it was not rescued. Goldman Sachs gave more money to the Democrats, and it was rescued. Nice way to "legally" reduce contributions to Republicans. So what if it cost the economy several thousand jobs.

Sincerely yours,

P. J. O'Rourke

To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.--Thomas Jefferson

 


On 10/10/2010 7:49 PM, [email protected] wrote:
David :
Far be it from me to put all the "evil ones" in the Republican Party. Just saying that
wealth and the GOP go together like hand-in-glove. Doesn't mean that , say,
there isn't Big Money that flows to the Left from Hollywood or elsewhere.
Clearly there is. But there is a reason why, most of the time, the Republicans
are the ones in Congress who stick up for the wealthy.
 
Just as there is a reason why some Democrats have jumped ship and
want the Bush tax cuts extended to everyone, including the $ 250,000 crowd.
The mutineers are in hock to Big Wealth.
 
My argument is that wealth simply is no guarantee of  virtue , investing in America,
not transferring most of one's money to the Caymans or Switzerland, not shipping
a large # of jobs overseas, etc,.
 
Yet to hear it from the GOP leadership,  the saints among us are all millionaires
and the only font of wickedness in the USA consists of the unions.
 
Such a view strike me as ludicrous ( insane, absurd on the face of it, demented, etc ).
 
I have plenty of things to say about the social policies of the Democrats, about
their fiscal policies, etc, which have been made abundantly clear in the past months
and years.
 
IMHO. we are dealing with two  Evil and Stupid Parties even if one is
more Evil and the other is more Stupid.
 
Sincerely
 
Theodore Roosevelt
 
PS
We need to go back to 1787 and start over.
 
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In a message dated 10/10/2010 4:46:10 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes:
Although, oddly enough, I saw a couple of polls this week where Bush out-polled Obama. A couple were within the margin of error, too. Simply amazing.

I wouldn't have given 45 % either on virtue, but I also wouldn't have put ALL of the evil ones all in the Republican Party. I might put them all in the Demonrat Party. :-) Doing a hell of a job there, Barry. Warren Buffet is one of Obama's advisers.
I would speculate that Gates and Jobs are also in the Democratic camp, whatever somewhat strange bedfellows that might be.

To put it kindly, the only Republican megabuck people I could have named (before Obama started going after the Koch family this week), would have been the Wal-Mart Waltons. Perhaps Rupert Murdock, but then he sort of spreads his contributions to both parties. Yet, on the other hand, I can name Buffet, Soros, Immelt, Zucker, Gates, and Jobs without breaking a sweat. Not to mention Kennedy and Kerry (Heinz), and Kohl.

Most of the rich oil barons are long gone, and their money divided amongst the heirs, at least in the US.

Here's a story about some Rich Democrats trying to turn Texas Blue

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-shadow-party-how-a-washington-based-liberal-activist-is-trying-to-turn-texas-blue-whether-texans-want-it-or-not/

Do note "whether Texans want it or not." Of course, some of them won their money in lawsuits or got it from lucrative government contracts (like Democratic Gubernatorial Candidate Bill White). But it's always the Republicans that are corrupt. (Nevermind Waxine Waters, Charlie Rangel, the late John Murtha, Eddie Bernice Johnson, Blago.) Nancy Pelosi said that she would "drain the swamp." All she did was restock it with Democratic crooks. 

David 
 




 
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