On Oct 11, 2011, at 12:37 PM, [email protected] wrote:

> For whatever reason Mormon faith does seem to produce a large %
> of good people. Which I also know from being an employee of Mormons in the 
> past.


Yeah, I tend to agree.  It would arguably be much more accurate to call 
Mormonism a heresy than a cult, though still rather rude.  Perhaps 'heterodox' 
would be better -- a term often used for Seventh-Day Adventists; though 
probably too mild for Mormonism, whose theology and origins were quite cultish, 
even if their current practice is exemplary.


-- Ernie P.

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> The following article makes full use of this theme ;  worth thinking about 
> and asking "why" ?
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> Billy
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> Real Clear Politics  /  Real clear Religion Section
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> October 12, 2011
> We Have a Lot to Learn from Mormons
> 
> By Rod Dreher
> Mormonism deviates so far from basic orthodox Christianity that I have a 
> difficult time, as a theological matter, considering it authentically 
> Christian.
> 
> Nevertheless, it's patently absurd to claim that Mormons don't love Jesus 
> Christ, or are, because of their religion, to be treated with suspicion. In 
> my view, it is an irrational prejudice (and yes, there are such things as 
> rational prejudices) to say a Mormon like Mitt Romney is unworthy of one's 
> vote because of his LDS faith.
> 
> The only thing about Mormonism itself that would give me pause in considering 
> a Mormon presidential candidate is the theological role American 
> exceptionalism plays within Mormon thinking. But in truth, the way American 
> politics and culture goes, American exceptionalism may as well be a 
> theological principle for all US Christians.
> 
> It is an article of faith for most Americans that God has a Very Special Plan 
> for the United States of America, and that we are, in some respects, a Chosen 
> People. I don't believe this, at least not in the way most people do (if 
> America is exceptional, it's in a "to whom much is given, much is expected" 
> way, not a triumphalist-nationalist way), but it is quite common. I'm certain 
> that on this point, there's not a dime's worth of difference between Romney 
> and any Republican candidate who stands a chance of being his party's nominee.
> 
> Anyway, it is especially offensive, at least to me, to hear Christians speak 
> of Mormonism as a "cult."
> 
> Usually when you hear that word being applied to a church or religious group, 
> it's designed not to describe, but solely to marginalize. Was it Tom Wolfe 
> who said that a "cult" is a religious group without political power? That's 
> mostly right.
> 
> I think cults really do exist, and can be identified in part by their 
> overweening desire to be secretive and controlling of their adherents -- 
> e.g., Scientology. (It should be noted that one can find cultish behavior 
> within mainstream religions too.) But I think the Guardian blogger Andrew 
> Brown is more or less correct when he says that a "cult" can be defined 
> sociologically as being far from a society's mainstream -- though by that 
> definition, one would have to call the Amish a "cult," and maybe even 
> cloistered Catholic and Orthodox monks and nuns a "cult"?
> 
> Anybody want to do that? Anybody? Didn't think so. So why so hard on the 
> Mormons? Especially given that it's hard to find a more idealistically 
> American group of people anywhere in this country.
> 
> The sociologist Robert Bellah writes in his new book that the test of the 
> truth of a particular religion is the kind of people it produces. Bellah is 
> not really making a theological statement -- I doubt very much that Bellah, 
> an Episcopalian, believes in the foundational mythology of the LDS church -- 
> but rather a sociological one.
> 
> Few people are ever converted by rational theological discourse alone. 
> Rather, it's more common to look at the lives of people who profess that 
> religion, to find them admirable or otherwise inviting, then open oneself up 
> to the beliefs that produce that way of living.
> 
> In my experience, Mormonism produces exemplary people, the kind who form 
> stable families and strong communities, and who make good neighbors.
> 
> I do not believe in Mormonism, nor do I have the slightest interest in 
> becoming Mormon. That Mormons tend to be good people does not make their 
> doctrines true. But inasmuch as Mormons -- and I'm generalizing here -- tend 
> to produce people who are often better Christians, in terms of their 
> behavior, than the more orthodox expressions within the Christian tradition, 
> should make thoughtful Christians consider what truth may exist within 
> Mormonism, and what we may learn about how to live well from the Mormon 
> experience.
> 
> For example, while Mormons in general have a divorce rate about the same as 
> everybody else, those Mormons who marry in a temple service are far, far more 
> likely to stay married.
> 
> The Los Angeles Times once explored the reasons for that, and they're truly 
> admirable. Note that there is nothing explicitly theological about any of 
> these practices; any Christian who took his or her own tradition seriously 
> could pull this off too. But these Mormon practices leading to strong 
> marriages and healthy families grow out of theological convictions, cultural 
> coherence, and social solidarity.
> 
> The rest of us have a lot to learn from Mormons on living out marriage and 
> family life.
> 
> It's easy for me to see why many Christians strongly deny Mormon theological 
> claims; it is very difficult for me to understand why so many Christians look 
> at Mormons with such hostility and disdain, given the kind of people who tend 
> to be faithful Mormons.
> 
> To call Mormonism a "cult" is polemical, spiteful, and simply inaccurate. 
> Still, as a matter of life in the public square, Mormons ought to be 
> welcomed, because I look at their lives and works and see people with whom I 
> might disagree strongly, but who also, in the way they live out their faith, 
> strengthen American life.
> 
> Rod Dreher is a Senior Editor for the American Conservative.
> 
> 
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