10/28/2011 [email protected] writes: Kevin : Which "revealed religions" ? They are, as you surely know, not all the same. Some are vastly different than each other. Within each faith tradition, moreover, there can be considerable differences. Mennonites and the Amish are Christian, but so are the Greek Orthodox and Anglicans. Among Jews, the differences between, say, the Haredim and synagogue-on-the-corner Conservative Jews is a difference of centuries and cultures. Do you just mean Abrahamic religions ? If so, what about Zoroastrianism, which is also based on revelation ? As well, there are a number of Japanese "new religions," as they are called, which started with Revelations, like Tenrikyo. Yes, there are problems with a good number of tenets of revealed religions. But that is really so over-generalized that it is uncertain what you mean. Tolstoy was a pacifist follower of Russian Orthodoxy. Jerry Falwell also followed a revealed religion but few people would lump him together with Tolstoy. Same for other pairings, Bonhoeffer and Torquemada, St. Francis and Charles V, or Roger Williams and Mel Gibson, for example. It would be nice to know what, specifically you are referring to. Billy -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm with Prager and have been fighting this battle for years from behind the lines in a very liberal profession. Leftist intellectuals are modern day McCarthy's in my opinion. But I think it is also time to challenge the specific tenets of revealed religion, some of which lead us to all or nothing solutions to complex problems. Kevin
Real Clear Politics October 25, 2011 Are Evangelicals or University Professors More Irrational? By _Dennis Prager_ (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/authors/?author=Dennis+Prager&id=15115) Last week, The New York Times published an opinion piece by Karl W. Giberson and Randall J. Stephens, a physics professor and history professor at Eastern Nazarene College, respectively. The authors take evangelicals to task for being anti-intellectual, anti-reason and anti-science. Their evidence: -- Evangelicals doubt man-made global warming, -- Evangelicals believe that gays can "pray away" their homosexuality. -- Evangelicals believe Earth is only thousands of years old and that men lived alongside dinosaurs. -- Evangelicals oppose same-sex marriage. Given how often they are made, it's worth analyzing these charges. With regard to man-made global warming, the accusation that all skeptics are anti-science is despicable and, indeed, anti-science. The list of prominent scientists who dissent -- including the scientist widely considered the dean of climate science in America, Richard Lindzen of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology -- is so long that there are entire websites that feature their names and credentials: There's a Wikipedia page titled "List of Scientists opposing the mainstreat scientific assessment of global warming" and a website called PetitionProject.org. The authors of the Times op-ed piece, like virtually all other left-wing intellectuals who comment on the subject, dismiss all skepticism regarding the Al Gore hypothesis that humanity is headed toward a worldwide apocalypse due to heat resulting from man-made carbon emissions. This is a reflection on these intellectuals' politics, not on their commitment to science. With regard to "praying away" homosexuality -- if it is indeed the normative evangelical position that all gays, with the right faith, can cease being sexually attracted to the same sex -- that position is wrong. But to the best of my knowledge, that is not the normative evangelical position; evangelicals believe that no more than they believe that prayer alone will end any undesired physical condition. At the same time, the opposite position -- the position of nearly all the liberal intellectual world -- that everyone's sexual orientation is fixed is a position also driven by ideology rather than by science. Society has a huge influence on how people act out their sexuality, including the gender of person with whom they choose to be sexual. Human sexuality -- especially female -- is far more elastic than the intellectual community admits. And the widespread liberal belief that, all things being equal, it makes no difference whether a child is raised by a mother and father or by two fathers or two mothers is hardly rational. On the issue of homosexuality, the intellectual left is just as driven by ideology as evangelicals. With regard to those evangelicals -- and for that matter, those ultra-orthodox Jews -- who believe that Earth is less than 10,000 years old and that there either were no dinosaurs or that they lived alongside human beings, my reaction has always been: So what? I believe that Earth is many millions of years old, that "six days" is meant as six periods of time (the sun wasn't even created until the third day, so how could there have been any days before then?) and that dinosaurs preexisted man by millions of years. But what real-life problem is caused by people who believe otherwise? Does it affect any of their important behaviors in life? Do they not take their children to doctors? Do they oppose medical research? Do they reject scientific discoveries that affect our lives? No. Not at all. Are there no evangelical or ultra-orthodox Jewish doctors? Of course there are, and apparently they are very comfortable learning and practicing science. Compared to the many irrational beliefs of secular, leftist intellectuals -- good and evil exist even though there is no God; male and female are interchangeable; international institutions are the hope of mankind -- evangelical irrational beliefs are utterly benign. And in regards to same-sex marriage, why is the normative Christian and Jewish belief that marriage should be between a man and a woman anti-science and anti-intellectual? What we have here is the usual left-wing tactic of smearing opponents. If you disagree with race-based affirmative action, you are a racist. If you disagree with the ever-expanding welfare state, you lack compassion. If you disagree with redefining marriage in the most radical way ever attempted in history, you are a hater. No wonder the left developed the foolish and destructive self-esteem movement -- no one has anywhere near the self-esteem leftists have. They are certain that they are better human beings in every way than those who have the temerity to oppose them. This Jew will take the evangelicals' values and the evangelicals' America over those of left-wing intellectuals' any day of the year. If evangelicals come with some views I find irrational, that's a tiny price to pay compared to the price humanity has paid for the left's consistently broken moral compass -- when it comes to America; Communism and Islamism; superiority of peace studies over waging war against evil; America's role in the world; _Israel_ (http://realclearworld.com/topic/around_the_world/israel/?utm_source=rcw&utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=rcwautolink) ; the welfare state; Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez and all the other left-wing dictators whom the left-wing has celebrated; the belief that men and women are basically the same; the greater worth of any animal than of the unborn human; and nearly every other major moral issue. If these professors typify the views of Eastern Nazarene, which is officially listed as a Christian university, it is reason for despair. Once left-wing values enter the evangelical bloodstream, there is almost no hope for America. -- Centroids: The Center of the Radical Centrist Community <[email protected]> Google Group: http://groups.google.com/group/RadicalCentrism Radical Centrism website and blog: http://RadicalCentrism.org
