I think this is correct, Billy - and why Deism by so many other names is 
becoming more popular.  It is the evangelism/supremacy aspect of all revealed 
religion that is most troubling to Deists.  Our coupling at A Place for 
Possibilities, classical liberalism and Deism is onto something dontcha think?

As the article you sent earlier illustrates there was an earlier coupling of 
energies at the beginnings of libertarianism.  Supremacists and anarchists 
found a home.  Many of those folks are still around (and attracted to Ron 
Paul).  The John Birch'ers for instance are Christian Libertarians for the most 
part.  The anarchists and anarcho-capitalists, akin to Rothbard are also 
attracted to Paul.  Objectivists, similarly.  Each of these groups sees Paul as 
about the best choice out there right now.

I like him because I believe a libertarian sensibility is what we need right 
now to unwind the inevitable statist buildup that happens in all systems over 
time.

Kevin


  Christianity is a missionary religion. This statement ought to be 
non-controversial.
  Unfortunately, I think because of libertarian influence more than any other 
factor,
  this viewpoint is denied.  That is, at least as I understand it, Libertarians 
tell us that
  religion should be a private affair, that no-one should seek to convert 
others,
  and especially should keep their noses out of non-Christian cultures because
  what Muslims or Hindus, etc, may do, is their own business and Christians
  should respect their rights to practice their traditional faiths.

  Indeed, some ( or most ) Libertarians go further and deny any value to 
religion
  whatsoever, and hence want religious believers not to proselytize at all. 
Murray Rothbard
  noted this kind of attitude at one time :

  "...I am getting tired of the offhanded smearing of religion that has long 
been endemic 
  to the libertarian movement. Religion is generally dismissed as imbecilic at 
best, 
  inherently evil at worst. The greatest and most creative minds in the history 
  of mankind have been deeply and profoundly religious, most of them Christian.”

  At any rate, I have heard the refrain from Libertarians that seeking to 
convert others
  to one's religion is objectionable. Leaving aside the fact that Buddhism is 
also a missionary
  religion, as is Islam, the Baha'i Faith, that in the past so was Judaism, 
that sometimes
  Hinduism has a missionary dimension, etc., this prohibition effects 
Christians directly
  and is most relevant here.

  It so happens, of course, that the New Testament commands believers to seek 
to convert
  others AND to persuade everyone to follow Biblical morality. Here ( emphasis 
added )
  is the quote :

  Matthew 28:16-20

  So the eleven disciples went to Galilee to the mountain Jesus had designated. 
 When they saw him, they worshiped him, but some doubted. Then Jesus came up 
and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.  
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of 
the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,  teaching them to obey everything I 
have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age” 

  Libertarians are fond of citing other verses, and while other passages are 
clear that people should not be coerced into religion nor in any way sacrifice 
their legitimate personal freedoms, the Great Commission carries special 
weight. Christians who actually believe in the Bible are supposed to convert 
others. Not only this, they are supposed to seek to bring about a massive 
social movement that converts the world to Biblical morality. That is, rather 
than being "morally libertarian" the New Testament commands Christians to seek 
a common morality for everyone.

  To make this clear all you need to do is read I Corinthians some time. The 
Apostle Paul criticized the Corinthian congregation for tolerating "anything 
goes" morality. To Paul such liberty was the exact opposite of what Christian 
faith should be all about.

  I simply do not see where actual Christian faith, or actual Buddhist faith, 
etc., can be compatible with Libertarianism. The foundation of Libertarianism 
is anything goes ( minus punching out the other guy ).

  The foundation of Christian faith is the over-reaching goal of converting the 
world to faith in Christ and to observance of a clearly defined set of moral 
principles. It is not OK by this morality to do or favor any number of things 
that Libertarians say are perfectly OK. In fact, Christians are supposed to 
oppose a number of the things Libertarians advocate. 

  Such as anti-statism. The great model of society that we are presented with 
in the Bible is the Hebrew monarchy, after all. Jesus, furthermore, seeks to 
bring the Kingdom of Heaven to the world and partly is justified as messiah 
because of his royal lineage, a descendent of King David. The subtext surely is 
that any state to which we give authority ought to be as well-conceived and 
well-managed as the Kingdom of Israel in Solomonic times. That, as model for 
political order, is a far cry from Libertarian preachments about a minimalist 
state with no ( or very little ) centralized authority. The entire book of 
Deuteronomy is about the necessity of establishing a centralized state with a 
virtuous and strong government.

  So it seems to me

  Billy






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