Mike :
Your point,  isn't " having  officials closer to their electorate" the best 
alternative ? ,
is not in dispute. Who can disagree ? But  the United States has a 
Constitution
and it says what it says. Besides, there  really are advantages to 
in-person 
discussion and face to face meetings. There  can still be maximum use of
new technologies, this is already  happening, but not as a substitute
for being there, getting recognition from  the floor, speaking to
national TV audiences, and all the  rest.
 
Given these realities, there are  limitations on how many people
can gather together in one hall and still  act as a deliberative body.
Came across a study a while ago and the  magic number comes in at
about 500. Years ago, the Congress arrived  at this conclusion without
benefit of modern research. 435 was getting  unworkable.
 
You could still add a small number, but 500  is some kind of practical 
limit.
 
Then there is the cost factor. Who is going  to pay for an additional
1000 or 2000 congressmen / women ? What the  heck, may as well add
a few billion more to the national debt  ?
 
Some of these concerns have been addressed  in my proposals for Amendments.
Not sure what has happened with them at  the RC.org site, but if all else 
fails
I will send person-to-person in the  next few days.
 
Billy
 
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11/27/2011 7:53:02 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected]  
writes:

What's the practical purpose  of requiring that congressmen all cluster
in the same room, anyway?   Since the 18th century, we've developed
radio, fax machines, phones,  television, e-mail, the internet, and
video-conferencing as means of  communication.  Rewrites to procedure
can easily cover the demands of  a large body.

Why do congressmen have to leave their districts for 3+  days per week
and get harangued by lobbyists, when the technology exists  for them to
digitally add their comments to the record and deliver their  votes via
a secured line?  It's ridiculous that when an rep has a  pre-scheduled
commitment at home (such as a major funeral, presidential  debate),
that the voters of that district lose their say on all of the  votes of
that day due to congressional rules of order requiring  in-person
attendance.

The pomp and tradition of a national body  meeting in one room is great
and all, but wouldn't having officials closer  to their electorate be
more valuable?


 
 





On Nov 27, 10:08 pm, [email protected] wrote:
>  11/27/2011 12:16:36 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
[email protected]
> writes:
>
> Hello ?
>  Anyone ever watch C-Span ?  When a  Congressman or woman  speaks
> from the floor all the time that is  allowed is one to  three minutes.With
> 435
> people that is all that is possible.  Now  you want 1500 members of 
Congress
> ?
>
> "The  chair recognizes the Congressman  from Pennsylvania's 98th  district
> for 20 seconds to explain his proposed  legislation in  full."
>
> Yes, I get the value of actual  representation at  the local level. But 
you
> have to take account of trade offs. Also  that is another 1000 reps
> with $ 250,000 salaries to pay, plus  staffs and overhead.
>
> And you are bitching about "big  government" ?
>
> How about something more feasible  ?  Vote for precinct leaders.
> Each leader meets with the local  congressman on a regular basis,
> maybe monthly, for an hour, to  express  local concerns.And, of course,
> with this kind of system  it becomes far  more possible for John Q
> to run for an attainable  public office.  Precinct Leader could be
> a requirement to run for  Congress.
>
> Billy
>
>  --------------------------------------------------------------
>
>  Excellent.  It seems like one of those proposals that could  gain  a
> large amount of support across ideological boundaries.  It  would be
> spectacular having a congressman who's as available to  the public  as
> your average state rep or state senator.  The  re-election rate  would
> probably also drop significantly lower  than 97% due the  increased
> importance of a single vote.  Gerrymandering would also be  more
> difficult for  legislatures to achieve, due to the sheer number  of
>  seats.
>
> On Nov 27, 10:29 am, "Kevin Kervick"  <[email protected]>  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >  Totally with you Mike.  One of  our contributors is leading that  
charge.
>
> >  http://www.thirty-thousand.org/
>
> > "The framers of the  Constitution and the Bill of Rights intended that 
the
> > total  population  of Congressional districts never exceed 50 to 60
>  thousand.
> > Currently,  the average population size of the  districts is nearly 
700,000
> > and,  consequently, the  principle of proportionally equitable
> representation
> >  has been abandoned."
>
> > Kevin
>
> >  What if we had  10,000 elected part-time congressmen (a single
>  > representative per  ~30,000 citizens)?  That would seem to  address
> > quite a few  workload and expertise  questions.
>
> > Not only that, it would  bring many more  minor parties and independents
> > into representation,  flood  out lobbyists, and increase representative
> > responsiveness.  It would certainly also decrease the expense of
> > running an  election, possibly leading to some middle income or working
> >  class  reps.
>
> > On Nov 26, 8:01 am, "Kevin Kervick"  <[email protected]>  wrote:
>
> > >  The argument that size does matter comes from the idea that our
>  > >  representative system that depends on upward influence cannot  be
> efficient
> > > if it is being asked to do too much  stuff. That's why I  believe it
> would
> > > be  immediately helpful to shrink the beast. It  cannot work if it is 
 too
> > > large.
>
> > >  Kevin
>
> > > Actually, the "issue" of Big Government  is mostly a  non-issue for 
me.
> > > I want the government to  do its job, to be  efficient, not to be
> corrupt,
> >  > not to be owned by special  interests, to spend in a  ruthlessly
> responsible
> > > way,
> > >  to levy taxes that are necessary and not one dime more, and to  be
> based
> > > on actual justice and objective evaluations  of our  problems. The 
size
> > > of gvt is FAR less important  to me than if it  does these things
> > > or does not do  these things.
>
> >  > Billy
>
> > >  -------------------------------------------------------------
>
>  >  > 11/23/2011 5:18:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
>
>  [email protected]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  > > writes:
> > > I thought that you  liked big  government and lots of regulators and
> > >  regulations.
>
> > > And it should probably be titled  "How Bigger  Government props up Big
> > > Finance," because  the Government would  have to be big enough to 
support
> > >  not only its weight, but also  the weight of "Big Finance" in order  
to
> be
> > > able to prop the  latter  up.
>
> > > David
>
> > > "Remember, to a  liberal, anyone who makes money in an endeavor 
frowned
> > >  upon by  liberals is 'greedy' and any person who expresses an  idea
> contrary
> >  > to basic liberal dogma is  preaching 'hate.' How shallow these  
people
> > > are." Neal  Boortz
>
> > > On 11/23/2011 5:04  PM, [email protected]  wrote:
>
> > > Real Clear Politics / Real  Clear  Markets
>
> > > November 22, 2011
> > > How  Government Props Up Big Finance
> > > By Marc Joffe &  Anthony  Randazzo
>
> > > Since medieval times, writers  and ethicists have  counted envy among 
the
> > > seven deadly  sins. In utilitarian terms,  envy is at best a zero-sum
>  game
> > > because it can only be satisfied  when someone  loses.
>
> > > Given this moral and practical  failing,  it is a shame that envy 
plays
> such
> > > a large role in  the  Occupy Wall Street protests spread around the
>  country.
> > > And, yet,  the Occupy movement does have a  point that transcends this
> > >  negative emotion: the  financial industry has grown large on the 
backs
> of
> > >  government handouts, manipulated regulation, and taxpayer  bailouts.
>
> > > While there is no objective size the  financial  industry should be, 
it
> is
> > > fair to  say it would never have become  this large without the crony
> >  > capitalist system that has  masqueraded as a free market. In  the
> process,
> > > the financial  industry has  absorbed resources that could better be 
used
> > >  elsewhere  while imposing large, systemic risks on the economy.
> Watching
>  > > others grow rich from special privilege understandably  leads  to 
envy,
> but
> > > from this perspective, the high  compensation  received by financial
> > > industry leaders is  merely a symptom of a  much larger problem.
>
> > > Big  finance has achieved its present  girth on the back of numerous
>  policy
> > > decisions - some going back  centuries. Many of  these policies had 
the
> > > intention of protecting  the  general public, but often had the
> unintended
> > >  consequence of  enriching bankers beyond the product of their  labor.
>
> > > For  example, central banks often seek  to encourage growth by 
lowering
> > >  interest rates for  small businesses and individuals. But in the
> process  it
>  > > is mainly large banks that benefit from higher margins, as the  Fed
> > > provides lendable funds at a steep discount - not  all of  which is
> shared
> > > with borrowers. Federal  policies designed to  assist homebuyers also
> > > benefit  mortgage investors and grant them  taxpayer supported 
guarantees
>  > > they will get paid (bailing out  Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac has  
already
> > > cost $182 billion as a  result).
>
> > > Subsidized mortgages also result in  higher home  prices - undermining
> > > affordability goals.  Over the long term,  consumers become more
> leveraged,
>  > > while financial firms collect  more interest and  fees.
>
> > > But special privileges to the  financial  industry predate 
discretionary
> > > monetary policy and  subsidized lending. Indeed, these privileges are 
so
> > >  embedded in  our system, they never occur to us. Perhaps the most
>  > >  distortionary of these is banking licenses that offer  limited
> liability.
> > > Without such licenses, bank  owners would have to use  their personal
> assets
> > >  to redeem deposits if borrowers default.  Limited liability reduces  
the
> > > bank owners' risk to just their  initial  investment. The large 
number of
> > > state banking licenses  granted during the nineteenth century allowed
> > >  "one-percenters" of  that era to profit from borrowing and  lending,
> without
> > > worrying  about large losses.  They could also grow their 
institutions by
> > >  making  loans to less creditworthy borrowers, thereby creating 
systemic
> >  > risk.
>
> > > This risk was usually shouldered by  depositors, who often lost money
> > > during bank runs.  During the  Depression, the federal government 
solved
> > >  this problem by  creating deposit insurance. FDIC insurance  enabled
> banks
> > > to grow  even more, and it also  freed them to take on even greater
> risks,
> > >  since depositors no longer worried about how their funds were  being
> >  > deployed.
>
> > > As financial  institutions have grown and  consolidated over the 
years,
>  some
> > > have become so systematically  important that they  have been deemed 
too
> big
> > > to fail. These  institutions are now effectively eligible for bailouts
>  in
> > > which  all creditors - and not just small depositors  - are made whole
> while
> >  > management can either  remain in place, or walk away with all  their
> > > previous  compensation plus a severance package to  boot.
>
> > >  These protections and hidden subsidies have enabled  the  financial
> industry
> > > to achieve enormous size and  profitability, while placing the overall
> > > economy at  great risk.  Usually, these protections were accompanied 
by
> >  > regulations such  as capital requirements or size restrictions.  
These
> > > regulations  usually failed to achieve their  intended results -
> especially
> > >  over the long  term - because financial institutions are able to wear
> down
>  > > the restrictions by lobbying and by hiring away key  regulators.
>
> > > Instead of adding to the quantity  of  regulation, thereby creating 
more
> > > opportunities for  the financial  industry to game the system, we 
should
> > >  tame the financial beast  through greater accountability. One way to 
 do
> > > this is to add a 10  percent co-insurance feature to  FDIC insurance 
for
> > > deposits above  $10,000. Depositors  with $11,000 in a failed bank 
would
> > > receive  $10,900;  while those with a $250,000 balance would get
>  $226,000.
>
> > > Depositors would not be wiped out in the  event  of a failure, but 
they
> > > would have an incentive  to select banks  that are more careful with
> their
> >  > money (while the poorest are  still fully protected). Banks would  
then
> have
> > > to compete for  depositor business,  in part, by demonstrating that 
they
> > > have  strong risk  management.
>
> > > Those with exposure above the  FDIC  limit should take at least a 25
> percent
> > > haircut  through the  resolution process in the event of a bank 
failure.
>  > > These  stakeholders are often large financial institutions,  acting 
as
> > >  counterparties, who have the skill and  resources to more closely
> monitor
> > > the banks with  which they deal. This reform would address  one of the
>  most
> > > disturbing episodes of the financial crisis:  Goldman Sachs' full
> recovery
> > > on CDO insurance  contracts that  triggered the AIG bailout. Certainly
> low
>  > > and middle income  taxpayers had better uses for this money  than 
awardin
> g
> > > it to the  highly compensated  financial wizards at Goldman.
>
> > > Bank  managers  should also have more skin in the game. If a bank 
fails
> or
>  >  > receives a bailout, directors, senior managers and highly  
compensated
> > > employees should have to repay creditors  or the  government at least 
a
> > > portion of past  compensation they received  from their failed
> > >  institutions - particularly compensation tied  to performance. Fear  
of
> > > impoverishment would have a substantial  impact on  the risk appetites
> for
> > > those leading major financial  institutions.
>
> > > Finally, federally subsidized or  guaranteed  loans should be 
restricted
> to
> > > the  truly needy. Today, mortgages  of up to $625,500 can be 
purchased  by
> > > Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac  on the federal  government's credit card.
> This
> > > subsidy should be  limited to homes that are below the median price 
for
> a
>  > > given  area. If financial industry players want to originate  
mortgages
> to
> >  > members of the upper middle  class, they should be willing to assume
> the
> > > full  risk of providing these loans.
>
> > >  Indiscriminately taxing the rich is an envy-driven policy that  only
> >  > marginally addresses Wall Street's size,  profitability and systemic
> risk.
> > > Vindication should  always be discarded in favor of an  effective
> reprieve.
>  > > Policies that require financial industry  participants to  shoulder 
more
> of
> > > the risks they create will  reduce the burden Wall Street imposes on 
the
> > > general  public, will  shrink the industry, and will release human 
talent
>  > >  for

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