11/27/2011 12:16:36 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected]  
writes:

Hello ?
Anyone ever watch C-Span ?  When a  Congressman or woman speaks
from the floor all the time that is  allowed is one to three minutes.With 
435
people that is all that is possible. Now  you want 1500 members of Congress 
?
 
"The chair recognizes the Congressman  from Pennsylvania's 98th district
for 20 seconds to explain his proposed  legislation in full."  
 
Yes, I get the value of actual  representation at the local level. But you
have to take account of trade offs. Also  that is another 1000 reps
with $ 250,000 salaries to pay, plus  staffs and overhead.
 
And you are bitching about "big  government" ?
 
How about something more feasible  ?  Vote for precinct leaders.
Each leader meets with the local  congressman on a regular basis,
maybe monthly, for an hour, to express  local concerns.And, of course,
with this kind of system it becomes far  more possible for John Q
to run for an attainable public office.  Precinct Leader could be
a requirement to run for  Congress.
 
Billy
 
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Excellent.  It seems like one of those proposals that could  gain a
large amount of support across ideological boundaries.  It  would be
spectacular having a congressman who's as available to the public  as
your average state rep or state senator.  The re-election rate  would
probably also drop significantly lower than 97% due the  increased
importance of a single vote.  Gerrymandering would also be  more
difficult for legislatures to achieve, due to the sheer number  of
seats.

On Nov 27, 10:29 am, "Kevin Kervick"  <[email protected]> wrote:
> Totally with you Mike.  One of  our contributors is leading that charge.
>
>  http://www.thirty-thousand.org/
>
> "The framers of the  Constitution and the Bill of Rights intended that the
> total population  of Congressional districts never exceed 50 to 60 
thousand.
> Currently,  the average population size of the districts is nearly 700,000
> and,  consequently, the principle of proportionally equitable 
representation
>  has been abandoned."
>
> Kevin
>
> What if we had  10,000 elected part-time congressmen (a single
> representative per  ~30,000 citizens)?  That would seem to address
> quite a few  workload and expertise questions.
>
> Not only that, it would  bring many more minor parties and independents
> into representation,  flood out lobbyists, and increase representative
> responsiveness.  It would certainly also decrease the expense of
> running an  election, possibly leading to some middle income or working
> class  reps.
>
> On Nov 26, 8:01 am, "Kevin Kervick"  <[email protected]>  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >  The argument that size does matter comes from the idea that our
> >  representative system that depends on upward influence cannot be  
efficient
> > if it is being asked to do too much stuff. That's why I  believe it 
would
> > be immediately helpful to shrink the beast. It  cannot work if it is too
> > large.
>
> >  Kevin
>
> > Actually, the "issue" of Big Government is mostly a  non-issue for me.
> > I want the government to do its job, to be  efficient, not to be 
corrupt,
> > not to be owned by special  interests, to spend in a ruthlessly 
responsible
> > way,
> >  to levy taxes that are necessary and not one dime more, and to be  
based
> > on actual justice and objective evaluations of our  problems. The size
> > of gvt is FAR less important to me than if it  does these things
> > or does not do these things.
>
>  > Billy
>
> >  -------------------------------------------------------------
>
>  > 11/23/2011 5:18:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
[email protected]
> > writes:
> > I thought that you  liked big government and lots of regulators and
> >  regulations.
>
> > And it should probably be titled "How Bigger  Government props up Big
> > Finance," because the Government would  have to be big enough to support
> > not only its weight, but also  the weight of "Big Finance" in order to 
be
> > able to prop the  latter up.
>
> > David
>
> > "Remember, to a  liberal, anyone who makes money in an endeavor frowned
> > upon by  liberals is 'greedy' and any person who expresses an idea 
contrary
>  > to basic liberal dogma is preaching 'hate.' How shallow these  people
> > are." Neal Boortz
>
> > On 11/23/2011 5:04  PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > Real Clear Politics / Real  Clear Markets
>
> > November 22, 2011
> > How  Government Props Up Big Finance
> > By Marc Joffe & Anthony  Randazzo
>
> > Since medieval times, writers and ethicists have  counted envy among the
> > seven deadly sins. In utilitarian terms,  envy is at best a zero-sum 
game
> > because it can only be satisfied  when someone loses.
>
> > Given this moral and practical  failing, it is a shame that envy plays 
such
> > a large role in the  Occupy Wall Street protests spread around the 
country.
> > And, yet,  the Occupy movement does have a point that transcends this
> >  negative emotion: the financial industry has grown large on the backs  
of
> > government handouts, manipulated regulation, and taxpayer  bailouts.
>
> > While there is no objective size the financial  industry should be, it 
is
> > fair to say it would never have become  this large without the crony
> > capitalist system that has  masqueraded as a free market. In the 
process,
> > the financial  industry has absorbed resources that could better be used
> >  elsewhere while imposing large, systemic risks on the economy.  
Watching
> > others grow rich from special privilege understandably  leads to envy, 
but
> > from this perspective, the high compensation  received by financial
> > industry leaders is merely a symptom of a  much larger problem.
>
> > Big finance has achieved its present  girth on the back of numerous 
policy
> > decisions - some going back  centuries. Many of these policies had the
> > intention of protecting  the general public, but often had the 
unintended
> > consequence of  enriching bankers beyond the product of their labor.
>
> > For  example, central banks often seek to encourage growth by lowering
> >  interest rates for small businesses and individuals. But in the 
process  it
> > is mainly large banks that benefit from higher margins, as the  Fed
> > provides lendable funds at a steep discount - not all of  which is 
shared
> > with borrowers. Federal policies designed to  assist homebuyers also
> > benefit mortgage investors and grant them  taxpayer supported guarantees
> > they will get paid (bailing out  Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac has already
> > cost $182 billion as a  result).
>
> > Subsidized mortgages also result in higher home  prices - undermining
> > affordability goals. Over the long term,  consumers become more 
leveraged,
> > while financial firms collect  more interest and fees.
>
> > But special privileges to the  financial industry predate discretionary
> > monetary policy and  subsidized lending. Indeed, these privileges are so
> > embedded in  our system, they never occur to us. Perhaps the most
> >  distortionary of these is banking licenses that offer limited  
liability.
> > Without such licenses, bank owners would have to use  their personal 
assets
> > to redeem deposits if borrowers default.  Limited liability reduces the
> > bank owners' risk to just their  initial investment. The large number of
> > state banking licenses  granted during the nineteenth century allowed
> > "one-percenters" of  that era to profit from borrowing and lending, 
without
> > worrying  about large losses. They could also grow their institutions by
> >  making loans to less creditworthy borrowers, thereby creating systemic
>  > risk.
>
> > This risk was usually shouldered by  depositors, who often lost money
> > during bank runs. During the  Depression, the federal government solved
> > this problem by  creating deposit insurance. FDIC insurance enabled 
banks
> > to grow  even more, and it also freed them to take on even greater 
risks,
> >  since depositors no longer worried about how their funds were being
>  > deployed.
>
> > As financial institutions have grown and  consolidated over the years, 
some
> > have become so systematically  important that they have been deemed too 
big
> > to fail. These  institutions are now effectively eligible for bailouts 
in
> > which  all creditors - and not just small depositors - are made whole 
while
>  > management can either remain in place, or walk away with all  their
> > previous compensation plus a severance package to  boot.
>
> > These protections and hidden subsidies have enabled  the financial 
industry
> > to achieve enormous size and  profitability, while placing the overall
> > economy at great risk.  Usually, these protections were accompanied by
> > regulations such  as capital requirements or size restrictions. These
> > regulations  usually failed to achieve their intended results - 
especially
> >  over the long term - because financial institutions are able to wear  
down
> > the restrictions by lobbying and by hiring away key  regulators.
>
> > Instead of adding to the quantity of  regulation, thereby creating more
> > opportunities for the financial  industry to game the system, we should
> > tame the financial beast  through greater accountability. One way to do
> > this is to add a 10  percent co-insurance feature to FDIC insurance for
> > deposits above  $10,000. Depositors with $11,000 in a failed bank would
> > receive  $10,900; while those with a $250,000 balance would get  
$226,000.
>
> > Depositors would not be wiped out in the event  of a failure, but they
> > would have an incentive to select banks  that are more careful with 
their
> > money (while the poorest are  still fully protected). Banks would then 
have
> > to compete for  depositor business, in part, by demonstrating that they
> > have  strong risk management.
>
> > Those with exposure above the  FDIC limit should take at least a 25 
percent
> > haircut through the  resolution process in the event of a bank failure.
> > These  stakeholders are often large financial institutions, acting as
> >  counterparties, who have the skill and resources to more closely  
monitor
> > the banks with which they deal. This reform would address  one of the 
most
> > disturbing episodes of the financial crisis:  Goldman Sachs' full 
recovery
> > on CDO insurance contracts that  triggered the AIG bailout. Certainly 
low
> > and middle income  taxpayers had better uses for this money than awardin
g
> > it to the  highly compensated financial wizards at Goldman.
>
> > Bank  managers should also have more skin in the game. If a bank fails 
or
>  > receives a bailout, directors, senior managers and highly  compensated
> > employees should have to repay creditors or the  government at least a
> > portion of past compensation they received  from their failed
> > institutions - particularly compensation tied  to performance. Fear of
> > impoverishment would have a substantial  impact on the risk appetites 
for
> > those leading major financial  institutions.
>
> > Finally, federally subsidized or guaranteed  loans should be restricted 
to
> > the truly needy. Today, mortgages  of up to $625,500 can be purchased by
> > Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac  on the federal government's credit card. 
This
> > subsidy should be  limited to homes that are below the median price for 
a
> > given  area. If financial industry players want to originate mortgages 
to
>  > members of the upper middle class, they should be willing to assume  
the
> > full risk of providing these loans.
>
> >  Indiscriminately taxing the rich is an envy-driven policy that only
>  > marginally addresses Wall Street's size, profitability and systemic  
risk.
> > Vindication should always be discarded in favor of an  effective 
reprieve.
> > Policies that require financial industry  participants to shoulder more 
of
> > the risks they create will  reduce the burden Wall Street imposes on the
> > general public, will  shrink the industry, and will release human talent
> >  for
>
> ...
>
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