Comments below in BF 12/2/2011 9:12:17 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes:
Hello Solomon: Interesting post. I am new here also. These folks have put a lot of effort into developing their brand so I don't want to be disrespectful to that. The Centrist label interested me because as I became interested in Ron Paul's platform it became clear to me that he is centrist in that he is drawing support from limited government conservatives and anti-war liberals. He is a classical liberal. Our very liberal paper here in Portsmouth did a positive full scale article about Paul this week. At the same time, his economc emphasis is the most traditionally conservative of all the candidates. I think Paul would embrace the Independent label but eschew the centrist label. I call myself a common sense conservative because I agree with you that a brand that says something about one's beliefs is important. I had considered new centrism or new conservative but decided to go in a clearer direction. As I read posts here and look at the platform, my impression is that these folks are pragmatic and apply reason rather than loyalty to ideas. The slant I get, without oversimplifying too much is social conservative/economic progressive. That is more-or-less true, but RC really is issue-by-issue, and the general tendency you identify is only a general tendency. On any given issue we can be hard Left, hard Right, or Other. We seldom are "soft" anything. We also use terms our own way, and this usage may have little to do with commonplace usages in the press or on TV. "Progressive," for instance, for us, has the preferred meaning of Teddy Roosevelt's philosophy, which is generally admired, with some reservations, but we have a strong aversion to so-called "progressivism" as it is practiced by the contemporary Left. We also have little use for doctrinaire "conservatism." Other kinds of conservatism are in a different category. I hear a disdain for cultural Marxism too. More than disdain, more like seething contempt. There are some lessons in Marx, but essentially only his 1844 Manuscripts in the era before he became a hard core Leftist. This can be debated, the man was thoughtful even when wrong, but we decidedly are non-Marxist and strenuously opposed to people like Gramsci. FYI Billy I see centrism in that most tribes are either both economic and socially progressive or socially and fiscally conservative. Kevin I'm going to be a sticker on terms here, which I'm usually not, but this is an important point. It makes zero sense to use the word centrISM. That implies a system of thought is in place... and there isn't. There are centrISTS, but all that means is those people are between the left and right. It makes as much sense to say centrism as it does to say rightism or leftism. Positions on the ideological spectrum do not an ideology make. Liberalism is an ideology. Conservatism is an ideology. Socialism, libertarianism, anarchism, communism, etc... ideologies. There is no centrism. This is an entirely different subject, but the branding of 'radical centrism' is horrible. Most mainstream voters are very turned off by the idea of anything labeled radical, and one of the appeals of moderate/centrist politics is that it is the very opposite of radical politics. That's why the social network for centrist/moderate activism I've been working on (still in pre-beta, using a primitive design and some major functionality is still not up) is called _Uniters.org_ (http://uniters.org/) - branding is important, and the center is where our country unites, which you even touched on in your comment. Calling it radical is a big mistake. And as far as the political developments in Britain and France go... they were heavily infuenced by Anthony Giddens, who either came up with the term Third Way, or popularized it. They do not call it radical, and have been quite successful. All three of the biggest parties in Britain have moderated since the 90's. Actually you can fairly call yourself a centrist party and be theocratic if you happen to be in a country that is steeped in hard core religion. As I keep saying, centrist doesn't have anything to do with any particular idea, it just means you are in the center of the political spectrum in the place you are talking about. In our country being centrist on religion roughly means you're not anti-religion, but you want a healthy separation of church and state. Weird that I never found this place before... I have a daily email of centrist searches that caught this in it's net a couple weeks back. Solomon Kleinsmith _Rise of the Center_ (http://www.riseofthecenter.com/) -- Centroids: The Center of the Radical Centrist Community <[email protected]> Google Group: http://groups.google.com/group/RadicalCentrism Radical Centrism website and blog: http://RadicalCentrism.org
