Hi Billy,

In the "funny you should mention it" category...
> Now here's where I start asking questions. What do we mean here by "the 
> caliber of professor at MIT"? Almost every prof at MIT will be deeply 
> knowledgeable in his or her field, and will be a first-class researcher. But 
> online as well as in the traditional classroom, we still have to ask whether 
> and how those kinds of expertise translate into learning for the student. If 
> the most knowledgable scholars in the world can be lousy teachers in a room 
> full of people, they can be lousy teachers online too.
> 

I just had lunch with the Dean of one of the largest Computer Science programs 
in the United States.

I had been part of his Dean's Advisory Board.  I told him I was resigning 
because:

a) I am trying to de-legitimize traditional higher-ed institutions, in favor of 
online and informal learning

b) I want to demonize Computer Science, to force academics to tackle "real" 
problems in how computers and people process information

He took it surprisingly well...

E


On Mar 6, 2012, at 7:54 AM, [email protected] wrote:

>  
>  
>  
> The Atlantic
>  
> MIT Online vs. Your Local College: How Will Web Learning Stack Up?
> 
> By Alan Jacobs
> 
> Feb 23 2012, 11:31 AM ET 37
> 
> The success of e-education depends on whether universities can design online 
> environments that are conducive to learning.
> 
>  
> In one of my first posts here at the Atlantic, I wrote about universities and 
> the problem of credentialing. If a school like Stanford offers online classes 
> to non-Stanford students, and those students learn a great deal, then what is 
> that learning worth? Or, to be more precise, what might a potential employer 
> think that that learning is worth, in the absence of a formal credential like 
> a grade or a degree?
> 
> Well, as Megan McArdle has reported here recently, at least one university, 
> MIT, is moving towards making a kind of credential available for people who 
> take and pass its online courses. The plot, then, is definitely thickening. 
> And some questions are beginning to loom in my mind.
> 
> McArdle quotes Stephen Gordon, who posits a scenario:
> 
> Now, imagine a personnel manager at a mid-sized corporation who's looking for 
> an employee with some particular knowledge. There are two candidates: one 
> with an appropriate college degree from the local state school, a second with 
> relevant MITx certificates. Let's say all other things between the candidates 
> are equal. Which should the manager choose?
> 
> Given the caliber of professor at MIT, the online student may have learned 
> just as much.
> 
> Now here's where I start asking questions. What do we mean here by "the 
> caliber of professor at MIT"? Almost every prof at MIT will be deeply 
> knowledgeable in his or her field, and will be a first-class researcher. But 
> online as well as in the traditional classroom, we still have to ask whether 
> and how those kinds of expertise translate into learning for the student. If 
> the most knowledgable scholars in the world can be lousy teachers in a room 
> full of people, they can be lousy teachers online too.
> 
> And then there's the question of what kind of teaching excellence is needed 
> for online learning. So far, universities that have sought an online presence 
> have tended to put their best lecturers online -- the people with the most 
> dynamic personal presences. The Richard Feynman model, the funny, charismatic 
> master explainer, seems to be the thing sought for -- but what if people 
> don't actually learn all that much from such figures?
> 
> Consider the distinguished physicist from Harvard, Eric Mazur, who has 
> recently discovered that his students haven't been learning all that much 
> from him and have tended to forget most of what they do learn soon after 
> learning it. He's completely rethinking his teaching style from the ground 
> up, and while his students are now learning more, they're not learning it by 
> watching the kind of show that Feynman once put on.
> 
> So: let's go back to Stephen Gordon's hypothetical manager who's trying to 
> decide whether to hire the local college grad or the person with the MITx 
> certificate. Right now that manager is in the dark, because the MITx 
> certificate is an unknown quantity. But a few years down the line some data 
> will be in, and if the MITx certificate holders are able to hold their own, 
> or outdo the local college grads, that will not be because they have watched 
> a bunch of stimulating lectures from world-class scholars, but because people 
> at MIT will have figured out how to design online environments that will 
> maximize learning and retention.
> 
> That's going to be the key to the future of online learning: not whether 
> universities simply film their best lecturers, or place all their course 
> materials online, but whether they find an optimal design for online learning.
> 
> But of course, as I suggested in my earlier post, it may not be universities 
> who first figure this out: it may be educational entrepreneurs like Sebastian 
> Thrun. If so -- and depending on what kinds of intellectual property claims 
> people like Thrun can make and sustain -- universities may find themselves 
> playing a futile game of catch-up.
> 
> The ones best placed to avoid such an unfortunate turn of events are, of 
> course, the wealthiest universities, and if they are willing to invest a lot 
> of money, time, and energy, then they may well end up, as McArdle suggested 
> in her post, ruling the roost even more confidently than they do now. But I'm 
> not yet convinced that many of our most prestigious institutions are in this 
> particular game to win it.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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