I appreciate your perspective Ernie since your degrees are from a couple of the most prestigious traditional universities in the business.
To offer some support to your position, I started my Ph.D. work (I already had a traditional bricks and mortar Master's degree) while I was the president of a software company that I helped to create. I was spending most of my time in NY and Chicago when I wasn't at home in my small town of 7,000 at Lake Tahoe. I had been doing this job for 15 years and was motivated to move on to something new, but my goal required more education. There was no way I could have attended a traditional bricks and mortar school; it was logistically impossible. I looked for the best program that I could find that was (mostly) online. I knew what I wanted... the coursework necessary for me to become a licensed marriage and family therapist, and I also wanted to be able to focus on my future research interest, the best interests of the children of separation and divorce. It took me over three years of hard work (half was full time), and in the end I was more than satisfied with the result. I am now fully engaged with the attainment of my goal to directly help this segment of society. I couldn't have done it without the flexibility of a high quality online program. Dr. Chris From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dr. Ernie Prabhakar Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 3:22 PM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [RC] EDUCATION & COMPUTERS --The Future of Online Learning Hi Billy, In the "funny you should mention it" category... Now here's where I start asking questions. What do we mean here by "the caliber of professor at MIT"? Almost every prof at MIT will be deeply knowledgeable in his or her field, and will be a first-class researcher. But online as well as in the traditional classroom, we still have to ask whether and how those kinds of expertise translate into learning for the student. If the most knowledgable scholars in the world can be lousy teachers in a room full of people, they can be lousy teachers online too. I just had lunch with the Dean of one of the largest Computer Science programs in the United States. I had been part of his Dean's Advisory Board. I told him I was resigning because: a) I am trying to de-legitimize traditional higher-ed institutions, in favor of online and informal learning b) I want to demonize Computer Science, to force academics to tackle "real" problems in how computers and people process information He took it surprisingly well... E On Mar 6, 2012, at 7:54 AM, [email protected] wrote: The Atlantic MIT Online vs. Your Local College: How Will Web Learning Stack Up? By Alan Jacobs Feb 23 2012, 11:31 AM ET 37 <http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/02/mit-online-vs-your-lo cal-college-how-will-web-learning-stack-up/253473/#disqus_thread> The success of e-education depends on whether universities can design online environments that are conducive to learning. In one of my first posts here at the Atlantic, I wrote about universities and the problem of credentialing <http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/01/the-great-unbundling- of-the-university/251831/> . If a school like Stanford offers online classes to non-Stanford students, and those students learn a great deal, then what is that learning worth? Or, to be more precise, what might a potential employer think that that learning is worth, in the absence of a formal credential like a grade or a degree? Well, as Megan McArdle has reported here recently <http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/02/envisioning-a-post-camp us-america/253032/> , at least one university, MIT, is moving towards making a kind of credential available for people who take and pass its online courses. The plot, then, is definitely thickening. And some questions are beginning to loom in my mind. McArdle quotes Stephen Gordon, who posits a scenario <http://articles.boston.com/2012-02-12/ideas/31049175_1_coffee-shop-student- debt-online-student> : Now, imagine a personnel manager at a mid-sized corporation who's looking for an employee with some particular knowledge. There are two candidates: one with an appropriate college degree from the local state school, a second with relevant MITx certificates. Let's say all other things between the candidates are equal. Which should the manager choose? Given the caliber of professor at MIT, the online student may have learned just as much. Now here's where I start asking questions. What do we mean here by "the caliber of professor at MIT"? Almost every prof at MIT will be deeply knowledgeable in his or her field, and will be a first-class researcher. But online as well as in the traditional classroom, we still have to ask whether and how those kinds of expertise translate into learning for the student. If the most knowledgable scholars in the world can be lousy teachers in a room full of people, they can be lousy teachers online too. And then there's the question of what kind of teaching excellence is needed for online learning. So far, universities that have sought an online presence have tended to put their best lecturers online -- the people with the most dynamic personal presences. The Richard Feynman model, the funny, charismatic master explainer, seems to be the thing sought for -- but what if people don't actually learn all that much from such figures? Consider the distinguished physicist from Harvard, Eric Mazur, who has recently discovered <http://harvardmagazine.com/2012/03/twilight-of-the-lecture> that his students haven't been learning all that much from him and have tended to forget most of what they do learn soon after learning it. He's completely rethinking his teaching style from the ground up, and while his students are now learning more, they're not learning it by watching the kind of show that Feynman once put on. So: let's go back to Stephen Gordon's hypothetical manager who's trying to decide whether to hire the local college grad or the person with the MITx certificate. Right now that manager is in the dark, because the MITx certificate is an unknown quantity. But a few years down the line some data will be in, and if the MITx certificate holders are able to hold their own, or outdo the local college grads, that will not be because they have watched a bunch of stimulating lectures from world-class scholars, but because people at MIT will have figured out how to design online environments that will maximize learning and retention. That's going to be the key to the future of online learning: not whether universities simply film their best lecturers, or place all their course materials online, but whether they find an optimal design for online learning. But of course, as I suggested in my earlier post <http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/01/the-great-unbundling- of-the-university/251831/> , it may not be universities who first figure this out: it may be educational entrepreneurs like Sebastian Thrun <http://www.udacity.com/> . If so -- and depending on what kinds of intellectual property claims people like Thrun can make and sustain -- universities may find themselves playing a futile game of catch-up. The ones best placed to avoid such an unfortunate turn of events are, of course, the wealthiest universities, and if they are willing to invest a lot of money, time, and energy, then they may well end up, as McArdle suggested in her post, ruling the roost even more confidently than they do now. But I'm not yet convinced that many of our most prestigious institutions are in this particular game to win it. -- Centroids: The Center of the Radical Centrist Community <[email protected]> Google Group: http://groups.google.com/group/RadicalCentrism Radical Centrism website and blog: http://RadicalCentrism.org <http://RadicalCentrism.org/> -- Centroids: The Center of the Radical Centrist Community <[email protected]> Google Group: http://groups.google.com/group/RadicalCentrism Radical Centrism website and blog: http://RadicalCentrism.org -- Centroids: The Center of the Radical Centrist Community <[email protected]> Google Group: http://groups.google.com/group/RadicalCentrism Radical Centrism website and blog: http://RadicalCentrism.org
