Yeah, that is the impression I have also. Think I will dig around, though, and see if I can find 2 or 3 fairly short statements by Libertarians about racial issues. My guess is that RC and Libertarians are pretty close to 100% agreement about politics and race. Billy =============================================== 4/21/2012 6:49:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes:
The same "mind your own business and leave everyone else alone" attitude that makes some of them gay marriage supporters makes most of them anti-discriminatory. They also want the most liberty for the most people, so they want liberty for all, really. They are becoming more realistic on the border, seeing that some of the illegal border crossers come up here and kill folks-so they are not quite as "open borders" as they once were. Ron Paul is no fan of Israel, FWIW. But there are many things that Ron is not a fan of. Like the Federal Reserve and Homeland Security for just two. There are a few lefties who accuse Libertarians of racism. But it's been more of a broad brush thing-one nutjob says something and suddenly a critic assigns it to EVERYBODY. David _ "Free speech is meant to protect unpopular speech. Popular speech, by definition, needs no protection."—Neal Boortz On 4/21/2012 1:51 AM, [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) wrote: Well, I figure that you are a Radical Centrist about some things, some of the time. I mean, it would be ODD if you weren't, since you are one of the very first members of Radical Centrism.org, even before me , back in 2004. So the word "we" seemed appropriate. Anyway, just wanted to let you know that it seems likely to me that the Libertarians have some good ideas about race in America, should be right down their alley. Know anything about this ? Billy =============================== 4/20/2012 11:27:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) writes: What's with this "we" jazz??? Gonna be an idea thief now, eh? I'll know where they came from... David _ "Free speech is meant to protect unpopular speech. Popular speech, by definition, needs no protection."—Neal Boortz On 4/20/2012 10:01 PM, [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) wrote: Yeah, I remember that, about Jesse Jackson. Wonder if Land knew ? Maybe he didn't. Wouldn't be the first time he has responded to charges but didn't seem to know the ready-made comeback. Can't be sure about this, but this is how it seems. Same kind of thing Re: Allen West, who lately is getting hammered. Anyway, maybe we need to develop ideas with an RC perspective that address the racial issue. Might be some good Libertarian ideas in this area, too, that we can shamelessly borrow. New strategy --good Libertarian ideas we will re-christen as "Radical Centrist" and the ideas we don't like we will call "Libertarian." I just know you will be keen for this approach. Billy :-) ============================================= 4/20/2012 7:52:30 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) writes: Meh. Jesse Jackson himself lamented the fact that in Washington, DC when you are walking and you hear footsteps coming up behind you that it is sad that you are relieved when you see that the guy is white. But don't let Richard Land say that. Or any other whitey. Then it would be RAAAAACIST!! I loathe double standards. David _ "Free speech is meant to protect unpopular speech. Popular speech, by definition, needs no protection."—Neal Boortz On 4/20/2012 11:05 AM, [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) wrote: Huff Po Richard Land and Southern Baptists' Race Problem Posted: 04/18/2012 The Southern Baptist Convention's (SBC) political spokesperson _Richard Land_ (http://erlc.com/erlc/richard_land/) recently incited controversy with comments regarding the Trayvon Martin case. On his March 31 radio show, _he called African-American leaders_ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/on-faith/richard-land-accused-of-lifting-trayvon-martin-comments/2012/04/16/ gIQARrQAMT_story.html) such as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton "race mongers" and "racial ambulance chasers" who are politicizing Trayvon's murder. He added that seeing young black men as threatening is "understandable" since they are "statistically more likely to do you harm than a white man." Land's comments caused understandable consternation among black Southern Baptist leaders, prompting him to _issue an open letter of apology_ (http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=37620) . We must tip our hats to Land for issuing the statement, but we should not simply move on and miss the significance of this situation. As Land's comments illustrate, the denomination still struggles with matters of race. The SBC drags behind it a shameful history on matters of race. The first Southern Baptist churches were birthed out of a desire to appoint slaveholders as missionaries. Preachers in the denomination vocally opposed the civil rights movement and supported Jim Crow laws. In 1956, Texas pastor W.A. Criswell, still considered a paragon among contemporary Southern Baptists, argued before a joint session of the South Carolina legislature that de-segregation was un-Christian. In the last 30 years or so, however, the SBC has made progress. Criswell apologized for his position before he died, and the convention passed a Johnny-come-lately "_Resolution on Racism_ (http://www.sbc.net/resolutions/amResolution.asp?ID=897) " in 1989 stating, "Southern Baptists have not always clearly stood for racial justice and equality." Better late than never. Additionally, the denomination is expected to elect their first African-American President in _Fred Luter_ (http://www.franklinabc.com/html/pastor.html) at the upcoming annual convention in June. And a top-level task force will recommend an alternate name, "_Great Commission Baptists_ (http://www.google.com/ url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CC0QFjAA&url=http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=37224&ei=LN6MT5LZDIeq8ATZkeDECQ&usg=AFQjCNGnV k-g0C_Q5myGrvxYJcuBszgFPg) ," in part because of the racial baggage their historic name holds. But below the surface, the largest Protestant denomination in North America still has serious race problems, proving once again that old paradigms die hard. A few years ago, the publishing arm of the SBC released Vacation Bible School curriculum largely thought to be racist toward Asians. Titled "_Far-out Far East Rickshaw Rally_ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/92833011@N00/1500920299/) ," the resources drew heavily on Asian stereotypes. The materials included chopsticks, karate uniforms, takeout boxes and images of rickshaws, a recognized symbol of injustice. _Despite passionate outcries from Asian-American Christians_ (http://www.abpnews.com/content/view/2651/116/) , the curriculum was distributed to an estimated 20,000 American churches. Seeing such racial insensitivity from Christians in the 21st century -- an era that was supposed to usher in a post-racial reality, according to some -- is maddening. It is, in the words of Anne Lamott, "enough to make Jesus drink gin straight out of the cat dish." Just this week, Southern Baptist seminary professor, _Nathan Finn tweeted_ (https://twitter.com/#!/nathanafinn) , "I know 3 SBC pastors in the same southern state who've resigned pastorates in the past 5 years because of racist membership policies." He added that he had spoken with an SBC pastor whose former church wouldn't allow African-Americans to become members as late as 2009. One must add to these examples the palpable silence from ordinarily outspoken SBC leaders in response to Land's comments. Had Land's comments smacked of theological liberalism, prominent white Southern Baptist leaders would have surely spoken out. So why was there no such response here? One can only conclude that racial unity still isn't enough of a priority among these leaders to warrant a public rejoinder. Like some other conservatives, Land seems to believe that racism is a myth or at least a problem of the past. On his radio show he said, "the nation has changed," and that Americans have entered "a new era" and "a new age." If Land's comments are any indication, however, this new era looks a lot like the old one. And that is something Southern Baptists' cannot afford. As our nation grows increasingly multiethnic, race is no longer just a theological issue for Christians; it's a matter of survival. And the only way to survive is to demand a radical change among Southern Baptists from the top down. An alternate name and the election of a president of color -- both laudable steps forward in the pursuit of racial harmony -- will not ultimately solve the Southern Baptist Convention's race problem. Southern Baptists need a change of heart. As _Professor Finn tweeted_ (https://twitter.com/#!/nathanafinn) , "We've passed a resolution repenting of our racist past, but some churches haven't gotten the memo." Southern Baptist leaders and pastors will have to distribute such a memorandum, and quickly, or else they may find themselves wrestling both with race and irrelevance for decades to come. _Jonathan Merritt_ (http://jonathanmerritt.com/) (_@jonathanmerritt_ (http://www.amazon.com/Faith-Our-Own-Following-Culture/dp/0446557234/ref=sr_1_1?s =books&ie=UTF8&qid=1334632345&sr=1-1) ) is author of '_A Faith of Our Own: Following Jesus Beyond the Culture Wars_ (http://www.amazon.com/Faith-Our-Own-Following-Culture/dp/0446557234/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1334632345&; sr=1-1) .' He's published more than 350 columns in outlets such as USA Today, The Christian Science Monitor and The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. -- -- Centroids: The Center of the Radical Centrist Community <[email protected]> Google Group: http://groups.google.com/group/RadicalCentrism Radical Centrism website and blog: http://RadicalCentrism.org
