Has Protestant decline been caused by the involvement of   Protestants
in politics ?  Any such conclusion, whatever opinion polls may  say,
is ridiculous on the face of it. All kinds of Protestants in American
history were involved in politics. Was Protestantism in decline in
FDR's time, in Teddy Roosevelt's time, in the time of Ulysses Grant
or the time of John Quincy Adams ? Each of these presidents were
overtly religious, unlike lip-service and de facto  unbelieving  
"Protestants"
of more recent times :  JBJ, Nixon, Ford, Reagan,  Bush 41, Clinton , 
and now Obama.
 
The believing recent Protestant presidents give us a clue 
about what went wrong.
 
Carter and George W. Bush, as different as they are, nonetheless have  a
fundamental commonality :  Reducing questions of  faith to thought-free
bromides or to thought-free pieties, or to thought-free metaphors
used to make political points. Carter made use of every modernist
myth he could find, Bush 43 made use of every conservative Christian
platitude he could remember. In each case we had religious simpletons
"witnessing" for their faith, Carter reducing Protestantism to helping 
the poor, Bush reducing that faith to belief in Jesus, nothing else
required. Both effectively discredited Protestantism.
 
As for opinion polls, and one that was specifically cited in Diana  Bass'
otherwise carefully crafted article, as often as not such surveys are
totally meaningless. If you were a computer scientist you would 
care less if a majority thinks that a data "cloud" exists in cyberspace  ;
what counts is that it exists in hardware form and only in the form
of real world circuits, transformers, and electrical power. If you
were a medical researcher  you would care less if a majority  believes 
that AIDS can only be spread via sexual contact  ;   you know better
since it can be transmitted via blood transfusions, eating food
prepared by infected food handlers, and even by such things
as sitting on a toilet if a previous user had lesions on his  derriere.
 
There are times when public opinion polls are completely worthless..
 
The reason for the decline of Protestant Christianity ought to be
obvious :   Growing perception that it is  irrelevant, especially 
this perception among the young. 
 
The simple fact is that there are fewer and fewer Protestant  thinkers
among us. Those that come most clearly to mind, like a number of
Biblical archaeologists, operate in specialities that by-and-large
have little public impact. Also in this category are scholars of
ancient languages.  Would-be thinkers among Evangelicals
( broadly considered ) like Pat Robertson, for all their good
intentions, cannot be considered genuine intellects at all,  indeed,
too often they are laughing stocks. Otherwise, to consider the 
Religious Left, commitment to the Bible, the core text of 
Christian faith, is languishing or close to non-existent.
Instead we find dubious or even absurd social causes
elevated to divine status  --such as homosexual "marriage"--
and the message of scriptures ignored or ridiculed.
 
As long as today's Protestants remain divided into their current
"liberal" and "conservative" factions don't expect Protestantism
to experience revival.  There may be exceptions to the rule,
as among Hispanic Charismatics  and Pentecostals, but 
for the most part the tide of history has turned in a
different direction.  In so many words, Protestants
have brought it on themselves.
 
Which is not an anti-Protestant rant.  My desire is for a  revival
of Protestant heritage in religion, and you could hardly expect
less from someone who regards Luther as a great hero and
someone to emulate as much as possible. But  Luther was
neither a Right Christian or a Left Christian. He did his
utmost to be both a  ruthlessly honest and critical Bible
scholar, and from him derives most of what became
modernist scholarship, but also was on fire with Biblical
faith, which of anyone ever alive, he took  the most 
deadly seriously.
 
Unfortunately, I don't see this kind of Protestant leader  anywhere
in America , or even on the horizon. But that is what it will take.
 
Billy
 
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Huff Po
 
_Diana  Butler Bass_ (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/diana-butler-bass) 
Author, "Christianity After Religion: The End of  Church and the Birth of a 
New Spiritual Awakening"
 
RIP: The Death of Protestant Politics 
Posted: 05/01/2013 

 
 
On April 25, the Washington Post ran side-by-side obituaries of Howard  
Phillips and Robert Edgar in its print edition. The two men, one 72 and the  
other 69, died within three days of each other.  
Those obituary notices, however, are the only time the two were on the same 
 page. In life, they were opposites in faith and politics. Howard Phillips, 
a  layman, helped establish the new Christian Right. Bob Edgar, a United 
Methodist  minister, was a liberal seminary president and former head of the 
National  Council of Churches.  
Reading the twinned death notices was a like reviewing a history of 
twentieth  century Protestantism. Over the last century, conflict rent American 
 
Protestantism in two: Protestant fundamentalism found mostly in evangelical 
and  non-denominational churches; Protestant liberalism preached and practiced 
 primarily in mainline churches. Phillips, a fundamentalist, and Edgar, a  
liberal, represented and embodied these two parties in American religion. 
And  their lives - as well as their passing - points to both the successes and 
the  erosion of what was once the America's majority religious tradition. 
In the last years of the 20th century, both fundamentalist and liberal  
Protestantism underwent huge transformations. A key player in the ascendency of 
 political fundamentalism, Howard Phillips helped move conservative 
theology to  the center of the Republican Party, forging links between economic 
and 
social  conservatives. According to Julie Ingersoll, religious studies 
professor at  University of North Florida and expert on the Religious Right, 
"It's hard to  overstate Phillips' influence in the transformation of the more 
secular  mid-century conservatism of Barry Goldwater and William F. Buckley 
into today's  religiously-inflected conservatism." Although Phillips would 
later reject the  Republicans to found the Constitution Party, his influence 
remains strong among  various conservative political interest groups, 
Christian home-schooling  movements, and Tea-Party evangelicals.  
Robert "Bob" Edgar was not as historically lucky. By the time he came into  
national religious leadership, the mainline Protestant religious community 
was  in decline. Although the institutions he inherited had once been 
significant  players in both religion and politics, by the late 20th century 
they 
were  plagued by membership loss and identity crises and burdened by 
unresponsive  institutional bureaucracies. Amid the decline, however, Edgar 
spoke 
powerfully  for Protestant social justice, served in Congress, saved an 
important seminary  from closure, and injected new life into the National 
Council 
of Churches. His  life and ministry demonstrated the best of his tradition, 
reminding Americans  that liberal Protestantism, while numerically smaller 
than it once had been,  still played a significant social role to defend the 
poor and marginalized 
As leaders of their respective communities of conservative and liberal  
Protestants, Phillips and Edgar excelled. Whatever their theology and politics, 
 however, and with whomever one happens to agree, they also were 
contributing -  somewhat unwittingly - to the overall decline of American 
Protestantism. 
In 1960, when Phillips and Edgar were young men, Protestants made up 66% of 
 the population and were a strong religious majority in a nation of diverse 
 faiths. By 2012, the percentage of Protestants in the United States 
slipped to  48%, making American Protestantism for the first time ever in the 
nation's  history a minority faith (a large minority, to be sure, but still a 
minority).  To be sure, the decline hit liberal mainline churches first. Since 
1995,  however, large declines have happened in both liberal and 
conservative  Protestant churches. Although both fundamentalism and liberalism 
show 
some local  strength, and the religious right demonstrates continued political 
influence,  American Protestantism as a whole is becoming a shadow of its 
historic self. 
So, where have all the Protestants gone? They are swelling the ranks of  
America's fastest growing religious group: the "nones," also called the  
"unaffiliateds." And why are they leaving church? According to a recent Pew  
survey, 67% of the "nones" report that they are angry that religious  
institutions are "too involved with politics." Evidently, a large number of  
Americans 
see religion as contributing to the nation's partisan divide instead  of 
being part of the solution. For whatever meaningful work either Phillips or  
Edgar did, their legacies remain with us: a fractured and declining 
Protestant  community, one with little patience for faith and partisanship, a 
theologically  thinned understanding of politics, and increasing attention on 
institutional  survival and personal piety rather than the common good.  
I am a liberal, mainline Protestant and have always admired and largely  
agreed with Bob Edgar. And I have long criticized the Religious Right. But the 
 odd coincidence of their passing gives pause, inviting reflection on the  
relationship between faith and politics in our society. What has this long  
century of Protestant conflict and division cost us a nation, whether one is 
a  Protestant or not, in terms of our moral, ethical, and theological 
resources?  Might there be a better way for Protestant politics in the future, 
a 
way that  heals instead of wounds? Or, is this the final RIP to the old 
Protestant  political culture? Whether one is a conservative or a liberal, a 
Protestant,  Catholic, Jew or Muslim, Phillips' and Edgar's last gift may be to 
remind us  that political power and devout faith are a potent and sometimes 
oft-putting  blend. As the recent history of American Protestantism proves, 
when faith  becomes the servant of partisan politics, even a great 
religious tradition can  lose its soul.

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