Spill it.
David
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas
which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas
which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.*--Thomas
**Jeff**erson*
On 12/22/2013 4:02 AM, [email protected] wrote:
Maybe, just maybe, the show of support discussed in the article below
can make a difference. Regardless, what is really needed is a science
based
all-out campaign to discredit even as much as toleration of
homosexual psychopathology.
On what basis are the Republican lime lighters basing their case?
"This I believe" ?
Maybe that can win a battle in this war, but the war cannot be won
on hope and prayer alone. Anyone who thinks so is delusional.
As for even more "hate the sin, love the sinner" claptrap, exactly
what is wrong with the example of the very first Christians,
complete exclusion of homosexuals as anti-Christian in essence
and "deserving death" -not my words, this is a direct quote from
Romans 1.
Or is Romans 1 verboten these days?
My honest opinion is that 90% of Evangelical churches have
no use for Romans 1, run away from Romans 1 every chance they get,
and much prefer anything but Romans 1.
But, in case you have not noticed it, there it is, in the Bible, Romans 1,
it can't be missed whatever translation you prefer.
For myself, on this issue I am 100% in favor of Romans 1
as well as Matthew 11*:* 20 - 24 and each of the other 28 verses
in the Bible that condemn sodomy unequivocally.
What is more, if anyone asks, I would gladly speak in public to this exact
effect and back up the testimony of the Bible with research findings
that are empirical from start to finish. You know what? No-one else
could do so as meticulously as I can do so.
Know what else? I already have done so in a lecture at U of O in 2009.
Know something further ?. No-one at all will take me up on my offer.
No-one.
Most Christians would rather lose than actually be effective.
This is (1) tragic and (2) indefensible.
Well, I have made my position unmistakably clear, no compromise,.
explicit, up front, /no hedging anything/, and with pride in doing so.
Will anyone else?
LOL, ROTFUL.
What a joke
Billy
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*In embrace of 'Duck Dynasty' star, 2016 hopefuls make bid for
evangelicals
*Matea Gold ("The Washington Post," December 19, 2013)
Few could have predicted that the story lines of the hit A&E reality
show "Duck Dynasty" and the 2016 presidential contest would converge.
But that unexpected mash-up played out Thursday as conservative
politicians rushed to defend Phil Robertson, the shaggy-bearded,
homespun star of the breakout series, who was suspended by the cable
network after his published comments about gays stirred a storm of
controversy.
Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal (R), a likely White House contender whose
state is home to the show about a family that runs a duck-hunting gear
enterprise, called Robertson and his family "great citizens."
"The politically correct crowd is tolerant of all viewpoints, except
those they disagree with," Jindal said in a statement prominently
displayed on his official Web site, adding: "I remember when TV
networks believed in the First Amendment."
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.), another probable 2016 candidate, chimed in on
Facebook, writing: "If you believe in free speech or religious
liberty, you should be deeply dismayed over the treatment of Phil
Robertson." And 2008 GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin wrote
in a Facebook post that "those 'intolerants' hatin' and taking on the
Duck Dynasty patriarch for voicing his personal opinion are taking on
all of us."
Their embrace of Robertson --- who in an interview with GQ described
"homosexual behavior" as sinful and compared it to bestiality and
infidelity --- underscored how gay rights remain a potent political
issue for many religious voters on the right.
As the same-sex marriage movement has gained steam, many evangelicals
and conservative Catholics feel as if they are being asked to give up
deeply held beliefs --- an effort they perceived in the quick
suspension of the "Duck Dynasty" star after his comments were
denounced by gay rights groups.
The furor is reminiscent of the protests and counter-rallies of
support that swirled around the fast-food chain Chick-fil-A last year
after its president said the company supported "the biblical
definition of the family unit."
Conservative Christians "feel like they're under siege in a culture
that is increasingly intolerant and discriminatory toward their views,
and they don't feel represented," said Ralph Reed, founder of the
Faith & Freedom Coalition, who noted that Robertson paraphrased from
the Bible's Book of Corinthians in his interview. "I did not get any
impression at all that there was animus expressed," Reed said
By jumping into the "Duck Dynasty" maelstrom, conservative leaders
such as Jindal and Cruz sent a clear message to evangelical voters:
We're on your side.
"Make no mistake," Reed said, "these voters are paying attention, and
they are going to remember who stood up."
The controversy played out on the very day that opposing cultural
forces were on full display. New Mexico's highest court legalized
same-sex marriage, the 17th state to allow gays and lesbians to wed.
And figure skater Brian Boitano announced he is gay, making him the
third gay member of the U.S. delegation who will travel to Russia in
February for the Winter Olympics.
The cross-currents spotlighted the schism over gay rights that
persists in parts of the country.
"This shows that there clearly needs to be more engagement of the
evangelical community if gay acceptance is going to become a reality,"
said Gregory T. Angelo, executive director of the Log Cabin
Republicans, a gay rights advocacy group.
Still, other gay rights advocates noted the growing number of moderate
Republican leaders who have embraced the cause of same-sex
marriage.Earlier this year, more than 100 Republicans signed a legal
brief urging the Supreme Court to declare that gays and lesbians have
a constitutional right to marry.
Fred Sainz, spokesman for the gay advocacy group Human Rights
Campaign, said that "the days of making gay a wedge issue are dated."
"I think they are outliers," he said of Jindal, Cruz and Palin, adding
that he believes they jumped into the "Duck Dynasty" controversy to
appeal to "a niche base."
But that base remains a powerful force in the Republican Party,
particularly when it comes to presidential primaries in states such as
Iowa and South Carolina.
Conservative activists said that the national push for gay rights
could mobilize evangelical voters to the polls in new numbers in 2016,
particularly if they feel there is a candidate running who reflects
their beliefs.
David Lane, an influential Christian activist based in California who
organizes pastor conferences, said he got an e-mail Thursday morning
from a top Republican activist in Iowa who credited Jindal for
speaking out quickly about Robertson's suspension.
"What Jindal is doing is absolutely tremendous, from an evangelical
and pro-life Catholic standpoint," Lane said. "Spiritually speaking,
we're in a war."
And Robertson, the blunt-spoken reality show star, is serving as the
unexpected latest flashpoint. (Notably, his comments about gays ---
including a graphic description of which body parts are more desirable
--- have garnered substantially more attention than his contention in
the same GQ interview that African Americans were happier in the era
of Jim Crow laws in the South, calling them "singing and happy.")
In the interview he said:"Start with homosexual behavior and just
morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and
that woman and that woman and those men."
Robertson issued a statement Thursday saying that he believes his
mission is to spread the Bible's teachings. "I would never treat
anyone with disrespect just because they are different from me," he
said. "We are all created by the Almighty and like Him, I love all of
humanity. We would all be better off if we loved God and loved each
other."
As of late afternoon Thursday, there were around 1 million mentions of
the "Duck Dynasty" or Robertson on Twitter. An online petition
organized by the group Faith Driven Consumer, which promotes
Christian-friendly companies, had more than 50,000 signatures. And the
Faith & Freedom Coalition called on its members to launch an e-mail
and phone campaign to let A&E know they will boycott the network until
Robertson is reinstated.
"I would expect," Reed said, "they will need to hire additional folks
to handle the phones."
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