Hi Billy,

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> On Mar 18, 2016, at 11:10, BILROJ via Centroids: The Center of the Radical 
> Centrist Community <[email protected]> wrote:
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> Not "the end" but something dubious is happening and its not good.

Not good. Great!

I don't say this lightly. Our church is perilously close to being ripped apart 
by this very issue. Already spent eight hours this week counseling people on 
various sides of the issue.

I couldn't be happier. It is finally forcing us as a church to confront what we 
really mean by humility, Sin and authority. About time.

God will use this, if we let him. I will.

Love,
Ernie

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> Patheos
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> The Anxious Bench
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> The End of American Evangelicalism
> 
> March 16, 2016 by johnturner 
> One of the big surprises of 2016 is the extent of evangelical support for 
> Donald Trump. As I mentioned several weeks ago, judging by historical 
> precedents, evangelicals might well have divided their support among a number 
> of candidates who spoke persuasively about their Christian faith, including 
> Ted Cruz, John Kasich, and the now-defunct Ben Carson, Marco Rubio, and Jeb 
> Bush. Nevertheless, in many early primaries, Trump attracted a plurality of 
> the Republican evangelical vote.
> 
> This past Tuesday, things were more mixed. Trump nearly won an outright 
> majority of the evangelical vote in Florida, but Ted Cruz out-performed him 
> among such self-identified voters in Missouri (by quite a bit), Illinois 
> (very narrowly), and North Carolina (even more narrowly). Kasich narrowly 
> carried the evangelical vote in Ohio.
> 
> Many journalists and other commentators have noted the fracturing of the 
> evangelical vote in 2016 and sought to explain Trump’s success among this 
> demographic. Stephen Prothero offers a good starting point for assessing 
> these developments: “America’s evangelicals just aren’t all that evangelical 
> anymore.”
> 
> So, what does it mean for someone to be an “evangelical?” Prothero suggests 
> that “what made an evangelical an evangelical was a born-again experience 
> that included accepting the Bible as the inspired word of God and giving 
> one’s life over to Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. To a born-again 
> Christian, following Jesus came first. Everything else came in a distant 
> second.” He suggests, though, that this is no longer true for most 
> self-identified “evangelicals.” It’s the Republican Party or whatever 
> political savior appears that takes priority over Jesus.
> 
> I’m not convinced without further evidence that self-identified 
> “evangelicals” are less evangelical than they were in ca. 1980. The positions 
> of Jerry Falwell’s Moral Majority, after all, did not flow straight out of 
> the New Testament.
> 
> The bigger issue here in my view is that journalists and pundits invest 
> “evangelical” with overly broad meanings. First of all, most exit polls ask  
> respondents whether they are “evangelical or born-again Christians.” If the 
> question were simply, “Are you an evangelical?” many respondents might well 
> be confused, and journalists would probably identify fewer Americans as such.
> 
> In the 1950s, the term “evangelical” or “new evangelical” had a particular 
> meaning, identifying a camp of theologically conservative Protestants led by 
> Carl F. H. Henry, Harold J. Ockenga, and, above all, Billy Graham, that 
> wanted to create a more attractive version of fundamentalism. Over time, 
> though, “evangelicals” won this internecine, intra-fundamentalist conflict. 
> As the ranks of self-identified “fundamentalists” narrowed, “evangelical” 
> became shorthand in many quarters for all theologically conservative 
> Protestants, especially those  who placed a central importance on the 
> born-again experience of conversion.
> 
> Scholars, meanwhile, often define evangelicalism in terms that are 
> simultaneously specific and vague. Following the lead of David Bebbington, 
> they define evangelicals as Protestant Christians who place strong emphases 
> on  conversion; on biblical authority; on activism; and on the meaning of the 
> crucifixion for the atonement and human salvation. For example, in my history 
> of Campus Crusade for Christ, I defined evangelicals as “Protestant 
> Christians who readily talk about their experience of salvation in Jesus 
> Christ, regard a divinely inspired Bible as the ultimate authority on matters 
> of faith and practice, and engage the world in which they live through 
> evangelism and other forms of mission.” Of course, many Christians who would 
> not think of themselves as “evangelical” or “Protestant” could own such 
> language. Historians, though, have particular groups of Protestants in mind 
> from the eighteenth-century through the present day.
> 
> Nowadays, the term “evangelical” has morphed into something far more diffuse  
> and confusing. As Stephen Miller observes, “its footprint has extended far 
> beyond the number of people who might fairly be called evangelical.” Many 
> conservative Protestants recognize and lament this reality. For example, D.G. 
> Hart has argued that theologically conservative Protestants should discard 
> “evangelical identity” for confessional identities more closely tied to 
> historic Christian movements.
> 
> As an antonym of sorts for “liberal Protestant,” “evangelicalism” is still a 
> reasonable way to identify factions within a range of American denominations 
> and an umbrella term that brings together a host of parachurch organizations, 
> nondenominational churches, and other institutions.
> 
> At the same time, “evangelicalism” as imagined by many journalists does not 
> exist, nor is there an “evangelical” movement akin [to] the one led — albeit 
> loosely — by Billy Graham in the decades following the Second World War. To 
> claim that a quarter of Americans are “evangelical” or “born-again” says 
> rather little. And if we want to examine the appeal of Ted Cruz or Donald 
> Trump to different sorts of American Protestants, we need far more precision. 
> American evangelicalism, in short, no longer exists the way that many 
> journalists and scholars imagine it.
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