Here's a good way to check causality: San Diego. Last I checked, San Diego was an amazing city with a wonderful downtown. Were there factors there that reduced illegal immigration there relative to Los Angeles?
E Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 19, 2016, at 15:05, Centroids <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Billy, > > What evidence do you have that immigration is causal to those problems? > > Most Americans cities experienced a surge in homelessness, perhaps due to > changing views on mental illness. Warm weather cities suffered the most. > > I agree that there are huge Mexico-like areas. But are they really any more > lawless that other poor neighborhoods in LA? > > E > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 19, 2016, at 09:59, BILROJ via Centroids: The Center of the Radical >> Centrist Community <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Mike: >> I did not want to add more to the topic of immigration but there is >> an additional observation that needs to be put into words. >> >> I visited Los Angeles several times in the late 1970s / early 1980s. >> Nice city. Clean downtown, you felt safe, and the Greyhound bus terminal >> was a sort of oasis of tranquility. There was a new McDonalds >> and it was a decent place to have lunch. There was a Mexican area >> with Mexican shops and small restaurants and other vendors. >> It was quite safe to wander the area and eat or make purchases. >> >> Fast forward to the late 1980s and into the 1990s, after unchecked >> immigration >> had taken root. I was in LA twice in those years and never want to return. >> Downtown Los Angeles had become a slum, people sleeping in doorways, >> bums urinating on buildings, trash all over the place, and obviously high >> crime; >> there were police everywhere. >> >> The McDonalds had become something like a canteen in a prison, also with >> an armed guard because of the riff raff who patronized the place. The bus >> station >> was an ungodly mess, with street hustlers ubiquitous. My last visit, the >> station >> had been moved, miles from downtown, to a place with high security fences >> and police on the scene. >> >> What had happened? Massive immigration had turned LA, at least downtown, >> into a third world city. That, in turn, had attracted black criminals since >> they >> understood that laws could not be enforced effectively. >> >> In what way was any of this good? >> >> Similar problems in Phoenix although mostly under control because >> of a tough-on-crime local government. >> >> In case anyone thinks this is some sort of anti-Mexican bigotry and "of >> course" >> I have no criticisms about Filipinos, etc, anyone who believes that does not >> know what he is talking about. I've also seen the vast slums of Manila >> and I was horrified at the mess. >> >> How is this sort of thing possible? Bad government, dysfunctional culture, >> and a bad economy at place of origin of immigrants (or internal migrants, >> in the case of the Philippines). >> >> What can possibly justify this sort of thing? Nothing. The Philippines did >> get >> rid of Marcos but it will be decades before the damages can be undone >> from that de facto dictator-for-life. >> >> We have gotten rid, at last, of Obama, but, as noted, the problems go back >> to Reagan and Clinton. It is obvious that the problems cannot be solved >> until illegal immigration is stopped dead in its tracks with all available >> means. >> Basically a great American city has been ruined, and there are unwanted >> social problems all over the West, especially. >> >> Why should we tolerate America becoming a third world country? >> Because some illegal immigrants are good people? Because some percentage >> do fit in and try to be decent people? What about the many who are >> anything but good and decent? What about the many who, in so many words, >> are barbarians who don't know diddle about civilization? About the way >> you need to behave in a healthy society? I've seen it, you know, masses >> of "peons" who export their dysfunctional ways of life to America >> and impose costs on all of us. >> >> Part of the answer is found by asking why we should tolerate the ideology >> of "limousine liberals" or Bushie conservatives / RINOs? This, in each case, >> is the viewpoint on the issue of immigration as seen by the well-to-do >> or by the secure middle class. It is unreality contrasted to life that >> is lived by the less well off Americans.. It produces a mindset that is >> the opposite of the perspective of the working classes. >> >> Canada has a sane immigration policy. Only allow into the country >> those who share (most of) our values, who are educated, who >> can contribute economically from day #1. >> >> I'm all for admitting people who can contribute to our economy >> and who can fit in with our culture. Everyone else should stay out. >> >> I'm also in favor of exporting our culture to other countries, and in the >> process >> learning from other cultures; indeed, this is happening now. But diversity >> for the sake of diversity is idiotic. Diversity has its very own dark side >> which is unacknowledged by Democrats and many establishment >> Republicans alike. This kind of "see no evil" outlook is ludicrous. >> And it contributes to the ruination of America even if, thank God, >> we are resilient and always find some way to muddle through >> and finally solve our problems. But why tolerate the problems >> to begin with? >> >> >> Billy >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> Centroids: The Center of the Radical Centrist Community >> <[email protected]> >> Google Group: http://groups.google.com/group/RadicalCentrism >> Radical Centrism website and blog: http://RadicalCentrism.org >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Centroids: The Center of the Radical Centrist Community" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Centroids: The Center of the Radical Centrist Community <[email protected]> Google Group: http://groups.google.com/group/RadicalCentrism Radical Centrism website and blog: http://RadicalCentrism.org --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Centroids: The Center of the Radical Centrist Community" group. 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