No idea if it will catch on here, but it’s a clever hack. 

A New Way to Think About Solving the World’s Biggest Problems - Evonomics
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Interview between David Sloan Wilson, John Bunzl and Nick Duffell

A while back I received a book in the mail titled “The SIMPOL Solution: A New 
Way to Think About Solving the World’s Biggest Problems” by John Bunzl and Nick 
Duffell, who were unknown to me. I get sent a lot of books with grandiose 
titles and don’t get around to reading most of them. But something about this 
one intrigued me, along with an endorsement by Noam Chomsky, who wrote “It’s 
ambitious and provocative: Can it work? Certainly worth a serious try”.

So I read it in a single sitting on a transatlantic flight and was triply 
impressed. Not only did the authors have a clear understanding of Destructive 
Global Competition (DGC) between nations and the need for worldwide 
cooperation, but they actually had a plan called Simultaneous Policy (SIMPOL) 
for how to achieve it in an incremental fashion. As if that weren’t enough, 
they’ve started to implement SIMPOL in the UK and elsewhere.

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Soon I was trading emails with John and Nick and learned that an American 
edition was in the works. I’m pleased to publish this conversation about their 
new book, which is now available to an American audience.

DSW: Greetings and congratulations on the American publication of your book!

JB & ND: Thanks, David! We’re delighted you read it and glad you liked it.

DSW: Please introduce yourselves. What are your backgrounds and how did SIMPOL 
occur to you?

JB: I’m a businessman and part-owner of a company trading in textile raw 
materials. Back in 1998, I was having a Sunday lunch with my family and we were 
discussing climate change because the kids were covering it at school. 
Afterwards, my Mum unexpectedly confronted me with a question: what would you 
do about it? Her disarming directness had a strange effect because, almost from 
nowhere, I responded that “it would have to happen simultaneously”. All, or 
nearly all, nations would have to act simultaneously. Perhaps because of my 
business background, I realized that no nation could decisively reduce its 
carbon emissions unless virtually all other nations did so too because any 
nation trying to go it alone would only land its economy with increased costs 
and a competitive disadvantage. I also realized that simultaneity could be a 
great way to solve so many other issues from wealth inequality to nuclear 
disarmament, because the all-important pre-condition of “simultaneous 
implementation” makes supporting such reforms risk-free. Governments could 
support decisive action without risking their competitiveness. And so the 
SIMPOL campaign was born.

ND: My wife first brought SIMPOL to my attention, after which I invited John to 
take part in a men’s event I was co-convening. John then read an early draft of 
my 2014 book Wounded Leaders, about the psychology of the UK political scene, 
whereupon he invited me to co-author The SIMPOL Solution. My main task was to 
set out the psychological resistance to the idea, which involved going quite 
deeply into identity issues and the psychology of denial. It was especially 
important to show how environmentalists failed to pick up the idea because of 
their entrenched identity position of being the ‘good guys’ against the ‘bad 
guys’.

DSW: It was a pleasure to discover that you’re so well informed about 
evolution. When did the modern evolutionary literature come to your attention 
and what role did it play in developing SIMPOL?

JB: It first came to my attention around 2000. I was contacted by Australian 
evolutionary biologist John Stewart, author of Evolution’s Arrow, who suggested 
SIMPOL had many common features with how evolution had resolved key competition 
bottle-necks in the past, such as the evolution of eukaryote cells from earlier 
proto-cells. At first, I didn’t understand, but, after reading his book and 
some others, I began to see how SIMPOL could be part of our on-going 
evolutionary story.

In particular, I saw how the vicious circle of Destructive Global Competition 
(DGC) – every nation’s inability to move first to solve global problems – is 
really just part-and-parcel of the evolutionary dance of cycles, first of 
competition and then of cooperation, that have taken us from hunter-gather 
tribes to larger agrarian Middle-Age small-states, to still-larger industrial 
nation-states. Each new and larger cooperative social unit pushed competition 
to new higher level and, today, globalization means that competition is now 
global, requiring the urgent evolution of global cooperation between 
nation-states. And there, I realized, SIMPOL had a potentially crucial role to 
play.

Since then, I also came across your work, in particular Does Altruism Exist? 
and others such as Peter Turchin and Martin Nowak, which all helped to 
demonstrate how Simpol fits very well with your and E.O. Wilson’s theory of 
Multi-level Selection.

But that only describes external evolution. The other aspect is internal; the 
evolution of people’s ways of thinking so brilliantly described by Clare Graves 
and more recently by Beck and Cowan in ‘Spiral Dynamics’, or by Ken Wilber with 
his ‘All Quadrants All Levels’ model. Understanding how people’s thinking 
evolves is crucial. Our problem today, at least in the West, is that most 
people including our politicians still operate with a nation-centric worldview 
whereas solving global problems depends on a critical number of us adopting a 
world-centric worldview. Little wonder we’re failing to understand our 
globalized world and failing, likewise, to solve global problems!

Realizing SIMPOL’s success would depend on helping to change people’s thinking, 
I understood that the problem was primarily one of psychology. That’s why I got 
together with a psychotherapist and psycho-historian.

ND: I’ve been involved with consciousness movements all my life and trained in 
systems theory and Psychosynthesis. Consciousness is clearly evolving, but it 
needs our cooperation. And at times of stress consciousness also regresses. 
This is what’s happening today with the anxiety-driven movements towards 
protectionism and keeping foreigners out. It’s quite natural that humans 
backpedal when they’re on the brink of a big change. Our challenge today, then, 
is to really see ourselves in the same boat but that will mean letting go of 
our familiar ideas of national sovereignty. We have to grieve and then embrace 
the change.

Where SIMPOL chimes with me is that my work has been about helping people and 
groups to develop the skills to self-regulate. Self-regulation is what defines 
maturity in organisms, and in groups; it’s already the major operating 
principle in the human body – and, of course, in the psyche. For humans, 
despite our wonderful but immaturely used technology, maturing means to 
intentionally self-regulate, and this means introducing it into politics.

DSW: Your analysis of Destructive Global Competition (DGC) dovetails with what 
I call the Iron Law of Multilevel Selection: Adaptation at any level of a 
multitier hierarchy requires a process of selection at that level and tends to 
be undermined by selection at lower levels. This is profoundly different than 
‘the invisible hand’, which pretends that the pursuit of lower-level 
self-interest benefits the common good. It reveals the unregulated competition 
among nations and corporations as the problem and the formulation of policies 
with the welfare of the whole earth in mind as the only solution. The excerpts 
from your book that accompany this conversation show how you lay this out in 
your own words. The most original part of your book, for me, is your plan for 
building global cooperation in an incremental fashion. Please describe how this 
works.

JB: Ok, but first some background. Not only does DGC prevent nations from 
acting meaningfully on social or environmental issues, it also means that 
whichever party we elect has no choice but to adopt very narrow 
business-friendly, neoliberal policies; that is, policies that keep the nation 
‘internationally competitive’. That’s why, once in office, one party behaves 
much like another and voters become increasingly disillusioned: an effect we 
call ‘pseudo-democracy’. Our votes, apparently, have become substantially 
meaningless.

With this situation in mind, SIMPOL invites us to have a little fun by using 
our votes in a completely new, creative way that turns the tables on our 
pseudo-democratic political systems while liberating politicians from the 
tyranny of DGC.

The Simultaneous Policy (SIMPOL) will consist of a series of multi-issue global 
problem-solving policy packages, each of which is to be implemented by all or 
sufficient nations simultaneously, on the same date, so that no nation loses 
out. Citizens who join the campaign can contribute to the design of those 
policies and to getting them implemented. But how?

By joining the campaign, citizens agree to ‘give strong voting preference in 
all future national elections to politicians or parties that have signed a 
pledge to implement Simpol simultaneously alongside other governments, to the 
probable exclusion of those who choose not to sign’. This pledge (the ‘Pledge’) 
commits a politician, party or government to implement SIMPOL’s policies 
alongside other governments, if and when sufficient other governments have also 
signed on.

In this simple way, politicians who sign enhance their electoral chances, while 
those who refuse risk losing our votes to politicians who signed instead. Thus, 
in tightly contested electoral areas, failing to sign could cost a politician 
their seat.

To further enhance the pressure on politicians, SIMPOL never divulges how many 
supporters we have in any electoral area, so politicians are left to wonder – 
and worry. Conversely, politicians who do sign don’t risk anything because 
SIMPOL only gets implemented if and when all or sufficient nations have 
similarly signed up. So, signing is a win-win for them while failing to sign 
could spell disaster, especially as the number of supporting citizens grows.The 
paradox of SIMPOL, then, is that it turbo-charges party-political competition 
to produce global cooperation. It puts citizens firmly in the political driving 
seat, giving us a powerful vote in global affairs in a way that politicians 
can’t ignore.

For citizens, you could say that joining SIMPOL is a bit like getting two 
votes: one that’s global, the other national. Joining the campaign and telling 
politicians you’ll be ‘giving strong preference at national elections to those 
that sign the SIMPOL Pledge to the probable exclusion of those who don’t’ 
represents your global vote. Then, on election day, you get your national vote 
just like everyone else. Just when you thought your vote had become 
substantially meaningless, SIMPOL transforms it into the most powerful driver 
for global cooperation.

That said, experience shows that politicians often need little persuasion to 
sign the Pledge. Even those in safe seats sometimes happily sign it simply 
because they see its common sense.

As the campaign develops, our hope is that, as UN efforts to solve global 
problems continue to fall short, SIMPOL might gradually emerge as the only 
alternative. If so, and as non-democratic governments see Western democratic 
governments gradually starting to support Simpol, they will not want to be left 
out and will voluntarily sign the Pledge too. In fact, as global problems 
worsen, all nations will need a way out of the stranglehold that DGC has us in. 
Corporations, too, may ultimately realize that it’s in their interests to have 
a global level playing field of simultaneously implemented regulations which 
keep the global economy fair and sustainable for all companies.

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There are, of course, many other aspects to the project, not least the method 
for developing SIMPOL‘s policy content and how citizens can participate, how 
multiple global issues can allow nations that might lose on one issue to gain 
on another, how global agreements would be negotiated, and how potentially 
harmful policies would be screened out. But more on all that can be found on 
our website.

DSW: Not only have you devised this solution, you’ve already put it into 
action, to a degree. Please tell us more.

JB: We’ve put the process into action in a number of countries in a small but 
significant way. In the UK where SIMPOL is most developed, at the last national 
election in 2017 we got over 650 candidates from all the main political parties 
to sign the Pledge. Of those, 65 are now Members of Parliament (MPs), which is 
about 10% of all UK MPs.

Demonstrating SIMPOL’s enormous leverage, we also found that in closely 
contested electoral areas, a kind of ‘domino effect’ occurred. As one candidate 
signed the Pledge, his competitors, one after another, felt obliged to follow, 
resulting in nearly all the competing candidates signing up as election day 
approached. This meant that whichever candidate won the seat, SIMPOL was sure 
to gain another MP committed to implementing its global policy agenda. This, 
then, is how SIMPOL works across parties and across the political spectrum 
pushing politicians towards global cooperation. For those who are fed up with 
the meaningless ‘ding-dong’ between the political parties, Simpol offers a way 
to cut through that, driving all politicians towards implementing what really 
matters: a sustainable and just world.

Right now this process is slow. But as citizen-support becomes significant, we 
expect that just as individual politicians have signed the Pledge, whole 
political parties will feel pressured to do so too. In that way, the 
turbo-charging of competition won’t only work at the level of individual 
politicians but between whole parties. There, too, we can expect the ‘domino 
effect’ to come into play.

SIMPOL is likely to work most powerfully in ‘first-past-the-post’ electoral 
systems, such as in the UK. But at the last national elections in Germany and 
Ireland, both countries with proportional representation systems, we got over 
50 candidates in each of those countries to sign the Pledge. Of those, we now 
have 14 pledged MPs in the Irish Parliament and 11 in the German Bundestag. So, 
it seems the process works regardless of the electoral system concerned.

Beyond those countries, we have a handful of MPs in the EU parliament, in 
Australia, Argentina and Luxembourg. What we most need, however, is for 
citizens to get involved in every democratic country.

ND: What impresses me most about SIMPOL is that it’s ‘good to go’. It uses 
existing structures in a smart way so we don’t need to wait for a world 
parliament or a reformed UN. And that’s good, because we have to act now if we 
are to tackle the climate issue, tax havens, corporation tax loopholes, and so 
on. Also important is that in most countries there is now extreme polarization 
as well as political apathy amongst the young. Yet events like Trump and Brexit 
show that voting does matter. By engaging our votes, SIMPOL shows citizens that 
we already have the power and how to wield it effectively.

DSW: What are your hopes for implementing SIMPOL in the USA?

JB: We do have supporters in the USA but no proper campaign there yet. We’re 
hoping this interview might change that soon. Like elsewhere, there’s 
widespread dissatisfaction in the U.S. with both mainstream parties. Meanwhile, 
some people hope that more extreme options – such as Trump or Sanders – might 
offer a solution. But we’re hoping that, as U.S. citizens come to understand 
DGC and Pseudo-democracy, they’ll increasingly realize that none of them can 
offer real solutions because, until we solve the problem at the global level 
through something like SIMPOL, DGC will inevitably stay in control, forcing 
whoever is in the Oval Office to implement the same old narrow neoliberal 
agenda. Even Trump, who promised an ‘America First’, protectionist agenda has 
largely used tariffs tactically to obtain more preferential free-trade 
arrangements. Why? Because Donald Trump is not really in control; DGC is.

So we’re hoping to build a vibrant SIMPOL campaign in the U.S. soon. We already 
have a website but we need citizens to sign on and get involved.

SIMPOL is certainly ambitious. But we can be sure that evolution is on our 
side. Evolution and multi-level selection tend towards ever-larger scales of 
cooperation. As competition between nations – what we’ve called DGC – becomes 
increasingly acute and damaging, and as people increasingly become aware of it, 
the only solution is global cooperation. SIMPOL, I like to think, is the 
political embodiment of that. It’s conscious evolution in action. It’s just 
waiting for people to take it up and run with it.

DSW: Let’s hope so, and I’m glad to give it a boost with this interview!

2018, July 3

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