Good article; captures my sentiments also.
What annoys me -too mild of a term- is that nobody seems able to articulate values issues in a productive way. Its all invective, cussing at each other, unhappiness expressed but not analyzed, and uninformed people mad as hell. Not sure what else can be expected, though. Sure, we need people in office who understand econ and business, or who grasp foreign policy or military questions, etc, but you -anyone- can't analyze values issues through econ or foreign affairs prisms. A lot of people are this way, starting at the top. Look at Trump. Frustrated as anyone can get. Sometimes he is right, but even when he is, he goes no place because he lacks critical concepts that would allow him to think objectively about values questions. He has some good ideas in the mix but he comes up with one rather primitive idea after another for dealing with immigration, gun violence, race relations, etc, and he is tongue-tied repeatedly. About "The Donald," I still wonder how in h&&& he graduated from an Ivy League school as poorly educated as he obviously is. But, bad as he is, listen to call-in shows now and then. I sometimes listen to snippets of C-Span call-in programs just to get a sense of what the hoi polloi is thinking. The impression is inescapable that the population at large is much worse. OK , we have a boiling cauldron and nobody who knows how to cook so that it all can be turned into a nutritious stew and, instead, boils more and more and finally explodes into a gigantic mess. That is where it all seems to be headed. My humble opinion Billy ________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Centroids <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2019 4:22 PM To: Centroids Discussions Subject: [RC] Estranged in America: Both Sides Feel Lost and Left Out At last, something we can agree on! :-) Estranged in America: Both Sides Feel Lost and Left Out https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/04/upshot/estranged-america-trump-polarization.html (via Instapaper<http://www.instapaper.com/>) ________________________________ Nearly half of Democrats say they feel this way, slightly more than Republicans. [https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/02/16/multimedia/author-emily-badger/author-emily-badger-thumbLarge.jpg]<https://www.nytimes.com/by/emily-badger> At Trump rallies, the president has repeated messages that helped him appeal to disaffected voters in the first place.CreditBrandon Dill/EPA, via ShutterstockAt anti-Trump rallies, people protest the erosion of values around tolerance and diversity.CreditJustin Lane/EPA, via Shutterstock In the 2016 election, Donald J. Trump tapped into a sentiment strongly held by white working-class voters that America had changed so much around them that they felt estranged in their own country. The sociologist Arlie Russell Hochschild described that feeling among conservative voters in Louisiana in her 2016 book, “Strangers in Their Own Land<https://thenewpress.com/books/strangers-their-own-land>.” In pre-election polling, that belief strongly predicted support for Mr. Trump<https://www.prri.org/research/white-working-class-attitudes-economy-trade-immigration-election-donald-trump/> among working-class whites. And in postelection analyses of those voters, the same sense of estrangement kept coming up<https://www.slideshare.net/DemocracyFundVOICE/stranger-in-my-own-country>. But for all its associations with Trump voters, the mood appears to have spread over the last two years. In a series of competitive congressional districts where The New York Times has been polling the midterm electorate<https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/upshot/elections-polls.html?module=inline>, nearly half of Democrats say they feel this way — slightly more than among Republicans. Forty-seven percent of voters who approve of Mr. Trump say they feel like strangers in their own country, while 44 percent of those who disapprove of him say the same. Nearly half of women feel this way. About 60 percent of African-Americans and Asian-Americans do. A majority of voters say this in West Virginia coal country<https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/upshot/elections-poll-wv03-1.html?module=inline> and in a deeply conservative Kentucky<https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/upshot/elections-poll-ky06-1.html?module=inline> district. But the feeling is also common in the highly educated suburbs of Orange County, Calif<https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/upshot/elections-poll-ca48-1.html?module=inline>. <https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/upshot/elections-polls.html?action=click&module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=Article> Polling the 2018 Midterm Elections in Real Time Sept. 6, 2018 [https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/09/06/upshot/live-polls-promo/live-polls-promo-threeByTwoSmallAt2X.jpg] The seven districts that we’ve polled on that question — talking to 3,555 likely voters in California, Illinois, Kentucky, Minnesota and West Virginia — are not representative of the entire country. But they contain communities that are pulling ahead in America and those that are falling behind, as well as places that mirror the nation’s demographic future and its past. The findings echo other polling<https://www.prri.org/research/poll-child-welfare-poverty-race-relations-government-trust-policy/> on the question since Mr. Trump’s election. And together, the results suggest a rare political moment when Americans on all sides worry that they don’t recognize what the country is becoming. “Normally, even in a politically polarized society, one side wins and they’re content,” said Stephanie McCurry, a historian at Columbia University. “It’s the other side that feels shut out of power.” The moment now reminds her of the 1850s, when Northerners and Southerners were locked in a morally imbued fight over the nature of American values — and whether America was at its core a slave-owning society. Many Northerners were horrified by the 1857 Dred Scott decision, which effectively declared the United States such a place. Southerners were horrified by Northerners’ reaction to it, Ms. McCurry said. “At that point, what you’re looking at is this sense of powerlessness all around about the ability of any institution to mediate not just a political conflict, but a conflict of fundamental values,” she said. “That’s maybe something like what we’re dealing with right now.” The Senate’s rancorous fight over Judge Brett Kavanaugh’s confirmation, she added, has similarly added to pessimism about resolving these conflicts. In the two years since Mr. Trump’s election, protesters and politicians on the left have lamented the erosion of values around tolerance and diversity. On the right, they have continued to mourn the loss of religious and traditional family values at the center of American life. Ms. Hochschild identifies as a liberal herself, and after Mr. Trump’s election, she said one of the conservative voters she described in her book sent her an email. “She said, ‘Well, I guess it’s now your time to feel like a stranger in your own land,’ ” Ms. Hochschild said. She acknowledges that she has felt this way of late, as she has watched President Trump declare the free press the enemy of the people and question the independence of the judiciary. “I had no idea we could come this far this fast and challenge things I thought were basic,” she said. “It feels like some pillars of our culture are being shaken, stress-tested.” That is precisely the feeling she had described in Louisiana. On other survey questions, Democrats and Republicans sometimes swap views depending on which party is in power. Republicans, for example, have become much more upbeat about the economy<https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/15/business/economy/survey-trump-economy.html?module=inline> and their own finances<https://news.gallup.com/poll/206792/republicans-upgrade-views-own-financial-situation.aspx>, and Democrats less so, since Mr. Trump took office. But it does not seem, with Mr. Trump in power, that partisans have simply traded views on who feels estranged. And that is part of what makes this moment unusual. Even as the Trump presidency has troubled Americans who didn’t vote for him, the president has continued to repeat the messages that helped him appeal to disaffected voters in the first place. And he has told his voters that he and they have not been accepted by institutions like the news media, the entertainment industry, academia and even some of corporate America.<https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/03/trump-war-corporate-america-harley-davidson-666926> “Trump is continually stoking these feelings of resentment, of loss,” said Daniel Cox, the research director with the Public Religion Research Institute. “If you’re already primed to feel that way, getting a sort of regular dose of that kind of rhetoric I think would cause you to continue to believe it.” P.R.R.I. surveyed people about whether they felt like strangers in their own country shortly before the 2016 election, and again in 2017. The share of white men with no college degree saying this didn’t decline as a result of Mr. Trump’s election — it inched up to 49 percent from 48 percent. The share of African-Americans saying the same rose to 59 percent from 48 percent (almost identical to what Times polls have found). Mr. Cox suggests, though, that while this sense of estrangement has been politically valuable to Mr. Trump in animating Republican voters, the same probably won’t be true for Democrats. Feelings of loss on the left — a weakening of values around voting rights, abortion rights, LGBT tolerance — aren’t as easily bound together in a singular cultural narrative. The fact that “feeling like a stranger in your own land” can encompass all of these values is part of what makes it a powerful indicator of the American mood. The idea touches something more fundamental than policy preferences, more personal than how people view individual leaders. “This does get at something a little bit deeper, that ‘I’m really troubled by — insert your own thing,’ ” said Patrick Ruffini, a Republican pollster. “ ‘I’m troubled by these political divisions, I’m troubled by how things are going culturally, I’m troubled by crime and the lack of moral fiber.’ I don’t think this sort of limits you.” There may even be something hopeful in the fact that many Americans are deeply troubled about something — if not the same thing. “It is evidence of a healthy process,” said Heather Cox Richardson, a historian at Boston College. In the 1850s and the 1920s, she said, similar moments of widespread disaffection and anger with powerful elites led to broad grass-roots movements that gave way, in their time, to the birth of the Republican Party and later the election of Franklin Delano Roosevelt. “It is also evidence,” she said, “of an exceedingly dangerous process for the people who are in power.” Nate Cohn contributed research. Emily Badger writes about cities and urban policy for The Upshot from the San Francisco bureau. She's particularly interested in housing, transportation and inequality — and how they're all connected. 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