Same feelings as Pat and Lachie. I try and avoid implementing Javascript in general as I'm a bit of a grumpy Luddite and sigh whenever I have to use web pages where I can't just middle-click to open a new tab. Or which use an AJAX login that my password manager doesn't pick up. Or where I can't use Return to submit a form. Or which save state in a session so you can't have more than one page open at once. I find Javascript widgets rarely work very well and just frustrate what I'm trying to do. E.g., It's faster to type a date "27 jan 09" than pick a date from a popup. There's probably a better, simpler way to do something without a widget.
And if you keep trying to make a web app look like something on the desktop you tend to end up with an abomination like Adobe CS. On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Pat Allan <[email protected]> wrote: > > Lachie's thoughts mirror my own. If I'm using a web browser, I want a > web app, not a desktop app. > > -- > Pat > > On 02/10/2009, at 12:15 AM, Lachie wrote: > > > > > I feel that it comes down to building *web* apps for *web* browsers, > > as opposed to desktop apps for the desktop. > > > > If you build web apps that feel at home on the web, it means special > > something to people. Think GMail or flickr. > > If you build a kick-arse Mac native app it means something special to > > people, too. Think iPhoto, Tweetie or lots of others. > > > > What I simply don't get are the 1/2 arsed attempts at shoehorning > > desktoppy stuff into the web browser. > > > > Lightboxes are one thing but this > > > http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/examples/container/panel-resize_source.html > > kind of thing is so WTF to me. > > > > :lachie > > http://plus2.com.au > > http://smartbomb.com.au > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/lachie/ > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:01 AM, Julio Cesar Ody <[email protected]> > > wrote: > >> > >> Or it's because "most", for pulling out of my ass values of most, > >> Rails developers can't *really* use Javascript, hence it's easier to > >> just get a set of pre-baked components to run (enough googling around > >> and you can integrate Dojo/ExtJS/whatever) rather than writing > >> something that addresses your specific case from scratch. > >> > >> You know, the old "I don't do front-end" adage. I know it's becoming > >> popular these days, but there's still reminiscences of it apparently. > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 7:28 AM, Korny Sietsma <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> There's also the issue of bugs; these complex frameworks are not > >>> without bugs, and debugging can be a world-of-pain. > >>> > >>> Upgrading your JS framework is also always tricky, and hard to > >>> justify > >>> to whoever is paying the bills. We had a complex project written a > >>> couple of years ago using Dojo 0.4, and we attempted to upgrade to > >>> Dojo 1.something - and gave up; the framework had changed at a > >>> fundamental level, and upgrading would have been harder than > >>> re-writing. > >>> > >>> - Korny > >>> > >>> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:33 AM, Colin Campbell-McPherson > >>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I've been working on a project recently that makes a great deal > >>>> of use > >>>> of the YUI widgets, similar to those in dojo and exjs I believe. > >>>> I'd > >>>> avoid them in my own work (rails) mostly because I feel they > >>>> quickly > >>>> complicate the UI and make your application harder to use. My > >>>> experience has also been that they're very difficult to get > >>>> working, > >>>> and where I going from the productivity of Rails to YUI I'd soon > >>>> become frustrated and feel like I wasn't making any progress. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 01/10/2009, at 2:42 PM, Joshua Partogi wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi all, > >>>>> > >>>>> Please correct my false understanding about this. But from what > >>>>> I have > >>>>> observed, lots of rails applications does not use fullblown > >>>>> javascript > >>>>> widgets like extjs or dojo. Why is the tendency of rails apps only > >>>>> rely on basic javascript framework like jquery or prototype? Or > >>>>> perhaps to simplify it, why does your rails apps does not use > >>>>> extjs > >>>>> (despite of the license) or dojo? > >>>>> > >>>>> Is anyone willing to share based on their experience? Thanks > >>>>> very much > >>>>> for the insights. > >>>>> > >>>>> regards, > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Certified Scrum Master > >>>>> http://blog.scrum8.com > >>>>> http://twitter.com/scrum8 > >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Kornelis Sietsma korny at my surname dot com > >>> kornys on twitter/fb/gtalk - korny on wave sandbox > >>> "Every jumbled pile of person has a thinking part > >>> that wonders what the part that isn't thinking > >>> isn't thinking of" > >>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- Steve Hoeksema +61 404 938 816 --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
