As a comparison, accountants pretty much have to take on grads (post uni) or cadets (completing uni) so as to provide lower labour costs and getting the more manual work done (at least before it all gets automated away!). Idea being is it gives them a start and an introduction to the greater role while learning the theory and practice.
In larger firms you get a more formalised bootcamp/induction process for their yearly intake. For devs, something of a cross of what Ryan and Mikel are proposing where maybe some smaller shops can team up with a larger one to give a standardised curriculum and pair/mentor with experienced devs sounds like it'd work pretty well. As an aside there's also another market niche of people that are cross-training from their primary discipline into dev work (either coding directly or management of dev projects) - this is where I fit and it's really hard, especially if you're outside the capital cities. On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Toan Nguyen <[email protected]> wrote: > Hey Dito, > > Apprentice Patterns is a great book which I found very useful and I still > read it from time to time. It lists out problems and solutions to common > problems new developers face. Heres the free html version: > > http://chimera.labs.oreilly.com/books/1234000001813/index.html > > Good Luck > > Toan > > > On Thu, 25 Jun 2015 at 13:29 Dito Hartoto <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Duncan, >> >> As a Junior dev it is awesome to hear that these discussions are being >> had. It's another example of how proactive and awesome the Ruby community >> is. >> >> Apart from jobs, another thing that would be helpful for a junior is >> guidance. Guidance on how to write good code, how to write good tests, and >> how best to design an application. The proliferation of courses like >> Tealeaf Academy and General Assembly have made learning Ruby and Rails >> easier and more accessible, but on completion we are able to build an MVP >> but not necessarily one that is easily scalable. Maybe it's just me ;) >> >> Finding a mentor would be a way to get such guidance but some juniors may >> not have the confidence in seeking out a mentor. I'm not even sure if there >> are enough mentors out there. I don't know what the best solution is but >> here are a few ideas: >> >> 1) A recommended reading list curated by Senior devs. >> 2) Group mentoring sessions with set tasks. >> 3) Feedback from employers on what skills are most important or lacking. >> >> I would be interested in hearing the experience of other juniors. >> >> Thanks for starting the conversation. >> >> Cheers >> Dito Hartoto >> >> On Thursday, 25 June 2015 09:09:19 UTC+10, Duncan Bayne wrote: >>> >>> Last night over a few^W^Wseveral^Wmany drinks, a group of us got to >>> talking about the state of Ruby in Australia. >>> >>> Some of the points raised were: >>> >>> - there are a lot of companies looking for Rubyists >>> - most of those companies are looking for mid - senior developers >>> - it is very hard to break into the market, but once you're >>> established, work is much easier to find >>> - very few companies have coherent strategies for hiring, developing >>> and retaining juniors and grads >>> - the difficulty companies experience in hiring mid - senior >>> Rubyists may put them off Ruby as a technology >>> >>> My (vague, beer-attenuated) recollection is that some folks are already >>> working on this problem, and I'd love to help out. >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
