We are brothers & sisters in Christ and we should not be angry with each
other. We are free to discuss things like this but lets remember who the
real enemy is.
My opinion...........
I submitted that article and I agree that it was garbage. If they want to
fight us than come on and fight-don't be a coward and kill thousands of
innocent people and then run & hide behind some other innocent people-womens
skirts if you will. The president was very right in making people decide
what is right and what is wrong. People cheering the death of thousands of
innocent people should not be allowed. Their punishment is in Gods hands and
not mine-thank God.
I'd love to give them a chance to repent because the Kingdom of heaven is at
their hands. After that I would send them to their eternal reward. The
choice is theirs.
I read another article where Americans are shocked and angry at us
Christians because we are saying to forgive them and turn the other cheek.
It is making them sick. There is a time to stand & fight against evil and I
believe that this is such a time.
Now is not a time to be wishy washy Christians just as in the founding days
of our country when we decided to fight the British. Ministers took of their
robes and put on clothes for battle. They encouraged their congregations to
do the same. George Washington knelt in prayer every morning before the
Almighty and then went forward with His battle plans.
George Bush is man of God and we need to support him also.
I merely forwarded that article so that people would realize what we up
against as a nation and as Christians. They hate Christians and would rather
kill us than shake our hands. Deception is of the Devil and when they
infiltrate our country and pretend to be friends than turn around and kill
us that is pure evil and has its source in the pit of hell.
I obviously have strong feelings about this issue but I am open to discuss
them with anyone and view their opinons.
Bob Simons
For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD,
"plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give
you hope and a future. Jer. 29:11
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From: "clint grant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [RR] Article in Arab newspaper
> I, like Duane, can find no kinder words for the article in mention than
> "bovine scat". So outrageous that it probably wasn't even true. If it was
> then it came from a very sick person. If you want to go pamper and console
> the person who wrote this article then go right ahead. But stand up for
the
> right thing. American history is just that-history. What do you think
> biblical history would look like in modern times? God told Israel to
> displace nations. Look at the source of this article. It doesn't raise
> anything that is worth mention, nor does it deserve any answer. Now is not
> the time to be wishy-washy. There is no room for anything BUT black and
> white in a time like this. Like our President said, if you're not with us-
> you're against us!
>
>
> >From: "Christoph Fischer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: [RR] Article in Arab newspaper
> >Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 11:38:22 +0200
> >
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> > >
> > > What a pile bovine scat!
> > >
> >
> >I'm sorry, but is this all you have to say? While I certainly admit that
> >the
> >article is strongly biased and trying to defend a terrible crime, it does
> >raise some serious questions about American history that should be
answered
> >honestly rather than simply being dismissed as "bovine scat." Even if
this
> >article is published by a Hamas-related newspaper, it does express some
> >concerns of people many of whom are as innocent as you are, people for
whom
> >war and death at the moment is a very real danger. If you feel you are on
> >the right side in this issue, then you should not be afraid to _answer_.
> >Please, brothers and sisters let's not start seeing all things only black
> >and white, let us not resort to un-Christian name calling. There are
> >innocent people and victims on every side, and the "bovine scat" kind of
> >thinking only makes things worse. I believe that in this issue, more than
> >ever, it is important for Christians to stand up and display the true
> >Christian virtues of love and care for others.
> >And, no, I am not sympathizing with, nor asking for forgiveness for the
> >people who committed this terrible crime. I am convinced that they should
> >receive their justice in an orderly and legally correct matter. What I am
> >concerned about are attitudes that uncritically dismiss all people "on
the
> >other side" as terrorists uttering "bovine scat."
> >
> >God bless you,
> >Your concerned brother,
> >
> > Toph
> >
>
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> >Fixing our eyes on Jesus ...
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Yankee Doodle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 1:37 AM
> >Subject: Re: [RR] Article in Arab newspaper
> >
> >
> > >
> > > What a pile bovine scat!
> > >
> > > Thanks, Bob for share'n that work<G>
> > > -=A=- 'jes.. -=A=-
> > >
> > > --- Bob Simons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > The end may be closer than we realize
> > > > To America
> > > > Hamas weekly: 'Allah has answered our prayers; the sword of
vengeance
> > > > has reached America and will strike again and again'
> > > > Following the terror attacks on New York and Washington, the Hamas
> > > > Movement mouthpiece Al-Risala, published in Gaza, printed an open
> > > > letter, "To America," by Dr. 'Atallah Abu Al-Subh:
> > > > "I am certain that you [America] will face the mirror of your
history
> > > > for a long time to come! Thus you will be able to see exactly how
much
> > > > you have oppressed, how corrupt you are, how you have sinned - how
> >many
> > > > entities you have destroyed; how many kingdoms you have demolished!
Do
> > > > you remember what you did in Vietnam and Korea? Do you remember how
> >you
> > > > turned Hiroshima and Nagasaki into piles of radioactive coals that
> >hold
> > > > death, present and future, for the two destroyed cities? Not a
person
> >in
> > > > these cities remains who was not distorted by your fire; not an
infant
> > > > or youth remains who was not torn to shreds; not a bird remains who
> >was
> > > > not drowned in a sea of flame!!"
> > > > "America, Oh sword of oppression, arrogance and sin; do you remember
> >how
> > > > you crushed the humanity of man? Do you remember how the blacks
lived
> > > > under your wing? Can you describe to us how much humiliation,
> >loathing,
> > > > and contempt you caused those poor creatures? Their only sin was to
be
> > > > born to two black parents. Your 'white' son bound their necks with
the
> > > > fetters of slavery, after hunting them in the jungles and on the
> >coasts
> > > > of Africa. They were born free, but were transported to the slave
> > > > markets that inundated your virgin soil. And later, how terrible
were
> > > > the deeds you did to them?"
> > > > "Have you asked yourself about your actions against your 'original'
> > > > inhabitants, the Indians, the Apaches? Your white feet crushed them,
> >and
> > > > then used their name, Apache, for a helicopter bearing death,
> > > > demolition, and destruction for anyone with rights, who dared to
> >whisper
> > > > in his own ear that he has those rights? This is loathsome and
> >malignant
> > > > behavior, because it made us hate the Apache Indians, without
> >realizing
> > > > that they actually were victims like us."
> > > > "America, have you ever asked yourself why you killed Abraham
Lincoln,
> > > > John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King, and Malcolm X? What crime could
> > > > possibly be worse than these crimes, and why?"
> > > > "America, have you ever asked yourself how the children in the
> > > > Al-'Amariya [shelter in Iraq], or at Kana [in Lebanon], sinned? Why
do
> > > > you pour this continuing oppression on the head of Baghdad, as you
do
> >on
> > > > the head of Jerusalem, on the head of Jenin, and on every head with
> >two
> > > > eyes that do not see what you see and do not walk the path of
justice
> > > > that your sinning hands paved for every idiotic eunuch [a reference
to
> > > > the rulers of Arab states] that you crown His Eminence or His Royal
> > > > Highness? America, have you ever asked yourself why you manufacture
> > > > cluster bombs, atomic bombs, hydrogen bombs, biological weapons of
> >mass
> > > > destruction, and the F-16? Even if we accept the claim of 'be
> >prepared,'
> > > > why do you give these weapons to any murderer, war criminal, and
enemy
> > > > of humanity, like Karadzic, Shamir, and Sharon? Why?"
> > > > "America, have you ever tasted the taste of horror, sorrow, and
pain?
> > > > This is the taste that has been our lot for so long. This is the
taste
> > > > that has filled our stomachs, torn our guts, and burned our skin.
This
> > > > is routine for us, and is carried out by those you love, with a high
> > > > degree of 'professionalism.' They destroy our shacks. What happened
> > > > tonight in Jenin is not very different than what happened to you."
> > > > "Every time Dick Cheney and his girlfriend Condoleezza Rice...
> >admonish
> > > > us, [and] gloat at our misfortune, they incite to more [violence
> >against
> > > > us]!!
> > > > We stand in line and beg Allah to give you to drink from the cup of
> > > > humiliation - and behold, heaven has answered. You must think,
> >America,
> > > > whether you are capable of silencing your extremism, your impudence,
> >and
> > > > your arrogance!"
> > > > "America, what have we sinned? What have we done to you?"
> > > > "Do you remember that we made it possible for you to lead us in the
> >ways
> > > > of peace!! We agreed that you would host this peace! You wasted
time,
> > > > and neglected the matter - which seems to us an absolute bias in
favor
> > > > of the Jews, when our only crime was to agree to accept you as judge
> >and
> > > > as host!
> > > > Hosts do not behave this way, Oh America, unless they are cowboys [a
> >pun
> > > > in Arabic]! If only it stopped at this bias; but it has reached the
> > > > point where you tightened the rope around our entity and opened the
> > > > gates of the Pentagon so that every Jew could equip himself with a
> >knife
> > > > in order to slaughter us! Why?"
> > > > "America, you planted in the hearts of all men and animals the
> >seedling
> > > > of hatred of you! You never considered that the day would come when
> >the
> > > > saplings would grow and put out your eyes, even if those eyes were
> > > > placed at the top of the World Trade Center, among the clouds. Those
> > > > saplings grew and spread and struck at the liver of the Pentagon,
the
> > > > biggest and most secure site on the planet. Don't you see that the
> > > > thorns have reached the eyes of your strong Secretary of Defense,
> >Donald
> > > > Rumsfeld, who thought that he was too strong to be hurt by the
thorns
> >of
> > > > vengeance for what he did with his own hands? Perhaps you realize,
> >after
> > > > Rumsfeld fled, that he is only an ordinary man, who cannot seize the
> > > > land and is not as tall as the mountains!!"
> > > > "America, why did you evacuate the biggest building in the world,
and
> >I
> > > > refer to the Sears Tower, as we, the weak, do every night in order
to
> > > > protect ourselves from your laser-eyed missiles? Are you as
frightened
> > > > as we are, Oh America? Do the giants fear and flee, as the oppressed
> >do,
> > > > Oh America?"
> > > > "America, it transpires that that you are weaker than the weak, and
> >that
> > > > you are as wretched as any refugee that you forced to flee with his
> > > > children, his wife, and the clothes on his back from a village that
> >was
> > > > once on the coast of Palestine. America, where are your eyes that
see
> > > > ants on rocks - I refer to the CIA? Did you not see what the soul of
> >the
> > > > one who struck at you whispered - although you always claimed to be
> >able
> > > > to see what others could not? It becomes apparent that a blind eye
> >sees
> > > > only through the eyes of traitors and spies; yet men of honor have
> >caps
> > > > of invisibility and when they don them, they dress you in garments
of
> > > > horror and humiliation."
> > > > "America, where is your second eye, the Mossad? You always gave us
the
> > > > illusion that it was alert enough to see what a man sees before he
> >falls
> > > > asleep. How did the 'perpetrator' take this eye?"
> > > > "Have you asked yourself who the real perpetrator is? Allow me to
> >answer
> > > > you: Yes, it is you, America!... You closed on yourself the door of
> > > > injustice, so that none could pass through it but your destroyers.
> > > > Afterwards, you decided to light the fire of destiny behind the
door,
> > > > until the fire consumed you, Oh America! I told you once that the
> > > > mosquito sucks the blood of the lion. Have you realized that I was
> > > > right? If not, look at your eye and see what happened to you in
three
> > > > spheres: the economic sphere (the World Trade Center building); the
> > > > power sphere (the Pentagon); and the political sphere (the White
> > > > House). Could you have imagined that what happened could have
> >happened?"
> > > > "Is it conceivable that you would think twice and choose not to
attack
> > > > the pharmaceuticals plant in Khartoum again, or Libya? Or will the
> > > > appetite for vengeance take you over and blind you to the truth, and
> > > > will you pour out your wrath on the Al-'Amariya [shelter in Iraq] or
> >on
> > > > Beit Hanoun [in Gaza]?
> > > > With what remains of your eyes, will you see the truth and retreat?
I
> > > > advise you, Oh America, to see the truth, and not to act
> >thoughtlessly.
> > > > You need to reexamine."
> > > > "What use was your navy to you? What use were your intercontinental
> > > > missiles and your nuclear power plants? What use was the fact that
you
> > > > had almost completely conquered space with satellites and AWCS
planes.
> > > > What use was NATO, and the world leadership that you hold in your
> > > > hands?"
> > > > "Or did all these become paralyzed when the sword of vengeance
reached
> > > > the neck of your honor and shamed you? There is no doubt that this
is
> >a
> > > > deed unprecedented in ancient and modern history. You cannot but
> >realize
> > > > that the perpetrator will strike again and again if you continue
with
> > > > your corruption..."(1)
> > > > A similar approach was adopted by Al-Risala editor Dr.Ghazi Hamad's
> > > > weekly column, in which he wrote: "I will not discuss the issue from
> >the
> > > > emotional point of view, but on the basis of the rule that
determines
> > > > that "the punishment fits the crime."
> > > > "The United States, which, since the turn of the last century, has
> > > > believed that it is the strongest, used that strength and power not
to
> > > > actualize justice and equality for the oppressed, but to besiege
> >the[se]
> > > > peoples, murder them, and spill their blood. It did not follow any
> >law,
> > > > unless the law was passed to strengthen its hegemony and its power.
> >The
> > > > US, which supports the Zionist entity, supplying it with all types
of
> > > > lethal weapons, such as the Apache, napalm bombs, and the F-16, that
> > > > have taken the lives of thousands of Palestinians; the US, which
> > > > encouraged the Iranian Shah to massacre his people; the US, which
> >stood
> > > > by the blood-letter Haile Sellassie, the despot Idi Amin, and dozens
> >of
> > > > dictators and tyrants in South America, in Africa, and in Southeast
> > > > Asia; the US, which sowed death at Hiroshima, anguish in Vietnam,
> > > > bitterness in Iraq, famine and siege in the Sudan and in Libya -
what
> > > > did this US, with the ugly face, expect the repressed and the
> >oppressed
> > > > peoples to do?"
> > > > "How much hatred has it stockpiled, and how many enemies has it
> >gained?
> > > > How many tortured people have burned American flags at every
> >opportunity
> > > > to express their rage? The US, with its think tanks and mighty
> >research
> > > > institutes, should have been ashamed of its hostility towards the
> > > > nations and the peoples. Were the eradication of its Marines in
> >Lebanon,
> > > > the destruction of its military headquarters at Khobar in Saudi
> >Arabia,
> > > > the destruction of the USS Cole in Yemen, the bombing of its
embassies
> > > > in Zambia [sic] and in Kenya, and the attacks on its soldiers in the
> > > > Gulf and in Japan not sufficient? The US should have learned the
> >lessons
> > > > of history; but, unfortunately, the US listens only to itself - and
> > > > behold, today it hears itself all too well..."
> > > > "Today, the US has tasted the bitter harvest it sowed in the hearts
of
> > > > millions. Today, we ask: After this, will the US [continue to] think
> > > > that it is above the law? Will it continue to act with repression
and
> > > > tyranny, or will it reexamine what it has done, and what it will
> >do?"(2)
> > > > Endnotes:
> > > > (1) Al-Risala, September 13, 2001.
> > > > (2) Al-Risala, September 13, 2001.
> > > >
> > > > Bob Simons
> > > >
> > > > For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD,
> > > > "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give
> > > > you hope and a future. Jer. 29:11
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> > > of the follower in the Leader, of each in themself,
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