----- Original Message ----- From: Commander Kevin Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 11:47 PM To: Jonathan & Dawnya Subject: Re: [RR] GPH I do not know of any ministry or company that is being effective that the staff has not grown. And for what I have seen of their work I am glad we have them to working to help us reach others for Christ. Jus t like the dealership I work off. 10 years ago started with a service department of one, me and now a God has blessed we now have 11 techs and the dealership helps our outpost with funds and also paid for more then 1/2 of the computer I use for Rangers. So I do not see to problem with growth, has your outpost grown in the last year and do you have and/or need more commanders for that growth? ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan & Dawnya Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 7:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RR] GPH Rich Marriot has the biggest National Staff ever seen. The A/G has added
numerous positions & increased salaries. Is it any wonder that they had to
raise charter fees by 33%, or why they want to become exclusive uniform
sellers at GPH????
I agree that it takes money to provide ministry, but we are ALL to be good
stewards over what God has given us. Should the A/G act like Enron? Let's
give our top people all we have & give nothing for the low person while the
company goes broke???? When does it end? Answer - it doesn't.
We could argue over money all day long. IMHO, the A/G leadership is not
acting as the good steward with our finances. They're spending more & more
while people at the local church get less and less.
Just my 2 cents.
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Jonathan Conti
NC Dist. Health/Safety Ofcr.
Rocky Mount, NC
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonathan Trower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: [RR] patch regulations
> At 10:01 PM 4/23/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> >All Hail the mammon worshiping arm of AoG!
>
> Keep in mind that it costs money to operate any ministry, whether it's a
> local church, a section or district Royal Rangers ministry, or the A/G
> headquarters. Most districts that I know of are funded by collecting a
> portion of the ministers' tithe (some take 100%), but the national A/G
> headquarters is not funded in that manner. Yes, credentialed ministers
must
> pay a fee each year to renew their credentials, but that sum is not
> sufficient to operate the many ministries of the A/G. Yes, headquarters is
> pushing more and more of the various ministries to become self-sufficient,
> including Royal Rangers. Apparently we have been receiving a subsidy for
> some time; the most recent charter increase that was announced at National
> Council is designed to help reduce the need for this subsidy. But since
the
> A/G headquarters needs money to support the various ministries, including
> those that can't bring in sufficient funds to cover their own operating
> costs, the A/G headquarters has to have a mechanism to raise those funds.
I
> suspect that GPH is part of that. If you eliminate the profit from GPH,
> what do you propose as a funding mechanism for headquarters?
>
> Jonathan
>
>
> >Jeff Ortner wrote:
> > >
> > > Well I called Brain Hendrickson and he said yes it will be 3 x 2
> > > and it will be silver trimmed. said coming out at the end of this
> > > month.
> > > Not a single patch company out their makes a silver trimmed patch,
> > > so mostly this will be the right choice they are going with. I was
> > > going to buy a bunch a while back, but I am now waiting till GPH
> > > comes out with theirs so I will get the right color trim.
> > > Advantage said that they will produce a stock priced patch for us
> > > if they get the right color. So this will be a big savings if you buy
> > > a bunch.
> > > GPH is smart going with silver trimmed so you have to buy from
> > > them. They are doing the same with the RR arm patches which in time
> > > will be deleted from the shelves, because of the one already
> > > embrodered on the arm. They don't want "off Brand" khakis with a
> > > different shade of color with RR emblems on them. So these are just
> > > areas we have to work with. Dickies has also stop making KHAKIS so
> > > our market to find good deals is slowly shrinking. I believe this is
> > > one of the reasons doing away with the old style "SQUARED OFF" RR
> > > emblems. It was being reproduced by many companies and GPH went with
> > > the rounded style so they could register it as a trademark. You have
> > > to get permission to produce this emblem now. It is just a good move
> > > on their part to keep the market in their pockets.
> > > BSA has done this for years. You can buy all kinds of patches for
> > > your uniform except one. The only way you can get the patch to make
> > > your uniform complete is already on the shirt. It is the name tag
> > > "BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA". No one can make or produce that name tag.
> > > It must be bought with the shirt. That way everyone looks the same in
> > > the right khaki color. GPH is going this route in time. So that
> > > nothing can be bought outside of them. and all uniforms will look the
> > > same across the board.
> > > I don't think they can do that with the US Flag.
> > > Advantage is just giving us a great deal and wanting your business
> > > later on with campout patches. They gave me a color chart to compare
> > > trim colors when GPH comes out. So I am waiting till then and will
> > > mostly buy a bunch to save people in our area, and This Section a
> > > dollar or more per patch. 50 cents is better than a $1 or more per
> > > patch.
> > > ---- Original Message ----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: [RR] patch regulations
> > > Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:40:13 +0000
> > >
> > > >Fred asked, "What is R. R. regulation? 3 1/2 by 2 or 3 1/2 by
> > > >2 1/4 inches?
> > > >
> > > >Well, do any of us know? I doubt it. I doubt anyone CAN know, since
> > > >it's
> > > >slated to be released this Fall.
> > > >
> > > >Can't you wait until it's in stone? What if you get white-bordered
> > > >flags
> > > >and GPH get's a deal on gold-bordered flags. Even when you hear what
> > > >the
> > > >official flag is gonna be, GPH can pull a fast one on us. It's
> > > >happened
> > > >before. Remember the less-than-perfect embroidered RR emblem shirts?
> > > >
> > > >Don't put the cart before the horse, count your chickens, etc.
> > > >
> > > >Gale "Sticks Himself" Collins
> > > >
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