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GUN OWNERS ALLIANCE
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Chris W. Stark - Director
P.O. Box 1210
Divide, CO 80814-1210
Ph. 1-719-687-8747
http://www.GunOwnersAlliance.com
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17 October 2002
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FBI ABUSES - THIS ONE IS INCREDIBLE!
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I strongly suggest you get a tall glass of ice cold water, before
you sit down and read this one! It's the only thing that may cool
you down after reading this!
I know and trust Neal Knox, and thus, I completely trust his
reporting on this issue. Consider it quite accurate and
legitimate reporting.
Please, act on this alert by writing and calling your US
Congressman & your US Senator. This is an election year, so our
Congress Critters are always looking for constituent browny
points! Contact them and complain of the abuse reported below by
none other than http://www.NealKnox.com
Be sure to contact your Senators, and President Bush. We
certainly need to monitor this horrid abuse, and ask our
lawmakers to clamp down on the FBI, and such abuses:
http://www.senate.gov/senators/senator_by_state.cfm
http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW.html
http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/
With Respect,
Gun Owners Alliance Chris W. Stark - Director
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An acquaintance sent me a shocking account of a Maryland man who
was called last week by a purported FBI agent who claimed to have
a list of the guns he owns, and began asking him why he had them
and where he was at the time of the sniper murders.
The man, whose Jewish name is Chaim, called the local FBI office
to tell them someone was impersonating an officer, and gave them
the number that had called. The pleasant FBI officer said they
didn't make such calls, but then recognized the number as
belonging to the Joint Task Force investigating the "Beltway
Snipings."
It gets worse. But Chaim can tell it better, so I'm sending you
the entire account which appears on The Firing Line Forum at:
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13
4951&perpage=25&pagenumber=1
Webmaster Rich Lucibella notified Chaim that I wanted to talk to
him, and he immediately called. After a half-hour conversation,
in which he asked that his full name and address not be
publicized (for some good, but not-so-obvious reasons), I'm
convinced he was telling the truth.
He never waffled or backpedaled, and filled in some additional
details in a totally honest, straightforward way.
I was ready to believe him because his story fit with alleged
quotes of FBI agents and others asking citizens for tips about
owners of "assault weapons" or interest in long range shooting.
Out of the blue this week, a Camp Perry High-Power Competitor
friend got a call from a Baltimore TV station wanting his
comments about sniper mentality.
He told them he didn't have the foggiest idea, that he shot for
sport and recreation. Then he referred them to his club's
legislative director.
Further, last night some stations and/or networks reported that
police thought they had the sniper -- a Baltimore ex-Marine who
had a manual on sniping and an "assault weapon" that fired the
.223 Rem,/5.56 NATO. Big whoop!
About three hours later the killer showed the cops they were
wrong when he murdered the woman at Home Depot.
I apologize for the unusual length of this report but a lot is
happening.
Here's Chaim:
This evening about 8pm I got a call from a man who claimed to
be an FBI agent surveying local gun owners (yeah right). Now
this guy called me and started asking questions (I didn't
answer BTW) about my lifestyle, what I've done this past week
and about my guns. As some of you may know you should NEVER
give out any kind of personal info to someone who calls you
(too many scam artists out there).
Also, I've never done anything wrong so why would the FBI call
me? I assume it is someone trolling around until he finds
someone willing to divulge info that will let him know who has
guns worth stealing. I tell him this is who I think he is, so
no I won't tell him about my guns (actually, I tell him I
won't tell him IF I have guns, it is none of his business), my
daily habits, my travels, etc. I tell him, that even if he is
FBI I've done nothing illegal and so it is none of his
business then either.
Then it gets really interesting. I dial " *69" to find the
number he called from and then call the local FBI office to
let them know that someone seems to be fraudulently
identifying himself as FBI to get sensitive info about who
owns guns (and their daily habits). I tell him the kinds of
questions the guy asked (very aggressive- like he was trying
to intimidate me) and the nice man at the local office told me
it couldn't have been the FBI because, first they don't call
people like that, and second they wouldn't use such tactics. I
give him the number from *69- it is their Montgomery County MD
task force ! I tell the guy that I may call back to apologize
for my tone then, but I still won't tell him what guns I own
or what I did this past week (it is still none of their
business) to which he responds "I wouldn't either".
I call the office (though I don't have the agent's name) to
find out who called me so I can apologize for my tone. The guy
on the phone tells me that there are so many people there that
there is no way he can figure out who it was without a name. I
tell him the entire situation and he says "oh, wait, I think I
know exactly who you talked to" "I'll have him call you back".
A couple minutes later the phone rings and its the original
guy (pissed as hell at me BTW).
I apologize for my previous tone, tell him that since I've
never done anything wrong I couldn't imagine why the FBI would
be calling me and reminded him that I had thought that it must
have been someone trying to find out who owns what in the area
to target homes. He tells me "Its a damn good thing you
called. I had dispatched about a dozen local police and two
ATF agents to your home."
I ask him how I came to his attention and why he is taking me
so seriously (12 police and 2 ATF!!!). He tells me that
"you've been buying an awful lot of guns lately haven't you"
(btw, I have a fair #, but not like many here). I say that I
have some guns but they are all legal so I still don't see the
problem. I ask if he actually has a list of my guns (he does),
how he got the list (won't tell me). I ask why he called
(again). He won't tell me exactly but he then asks what I have
been doing the past week. Now I'm getting REALLY mad (but I
try to stay calm because I don't really want to go to jail).
It becomes pretty clear in our conversation that he somehow
thinks I'm involved in the DC/MD/VA shootings . I then ask
that if he has a list of my guns shouldn't he be able to tell
that I don't own a .223, you know the round that the media has
reported is the one being used. He tells me that many of my
forms sent in by my False were incomplete and didn't list the
caliber (WHAT- who was the incompetent who sent the gov't an
incomplete form and why is this the first I've heard about it,
and I thought they weren't supposed to be used as
registration/tracking/etc). Now he is clearly getting mad (and
hinting that he won't call off the team he has coming for me).
He DEMANDS to know what I've been up to the past week. I tell
him that I've been home sometimes, at work sometimes, in
Yeshiva sometimes and shopping sometimes (I know I shouldn't
have said anything, but I'm tired, annoyed, a bit nervous, etc
so I wasn't thinking straight). He then gets even angrier and
threatens me with jail if I don't give him the answers he
wants. I say it would help if he was more specific then. He
asks where I was Fri morning (the time of the last shooting).
I tell him I was at home. Now he's even madder (odd, I've just
given him a specific answer like he wanted- once he gave a
specific question).
He wants to know if anyone can verify this (luckily my dad was
home at the time- yes I currently live w/ my parents). He then
ORDERS me to put my dad on the phone (luckily he was here) and
tells me that if he doesn't verify my story exactly I should
"be prepared to take a trip at around 11PM." My dad answers
all his questions (incl. his birthday and why he was at home
and not at work), I get the impression he was very hostile w/
my dad (he was shaking) and he kept telling my dad I have lots
of guns (some of you may remember that my parents, esp. my
dad, are strongly anti). Then they hung up.
To set the record straight: I do have more guns than average
but I don't really think it is an excessive amount (13, though
I have sold a few) -I was no where near any of the shootings
when they happened (though I live nearby enough that I have
been in some of the areas since- no choice, my Yeshiva is
nearby and so is my favorite Kosher supermarket) -
There was a little more to the conversation, I only listed the
major parts. When he did get really hostile I probably got a
bit more punchy than I should have. I had the nerve to point
out that all of my guns were perfectly legal, I didn't have
the caliber the murderer is using, I stressed that I did
nothing wrong, etc. This only made him angrier. I then pointed
out (at the "YOU OWN GUNS" badgering) that yes, they are
protected under the Constitution too.
No, I did not wait for a lawyer, I know I should have.
However, I pointed out some of the reasons above. Also, I
didn't really feel like being taken to jail for G-d knows how
many hours (I have to be somewhere at 7:30am) to get it sorted
out. I figured that since he already had a list of my guns,
and since I didn't do anything wrong (heck, I wasn't even in
the area of ANY of the shootings when they happened) and I
could prove that I was someplace else for two of them (I had
witnesses) it couldn't hurt to tell they guy I had been at
home.
What I am doing:
I am now a little paranoid. I guess I've decided against not
posting here (though I doubt if I'll post except on this
thread).
I will be keeping a log of my activities, time, and the people
who I'm with until the shooter is captured in case I should
get called again. That way I can say with certainty who I was
with and put them in contact with him/her (I'm pretty sure I
was with people at the time of some of the shootings I didn't
have witnesses for, I just don't remember for sure who I was
with or what I was doing- try to remember all the details of
the last week, especially under stress).
I will try my best to never be alone until the shooter is
captured so that I will have witnesses to where I was and what
I was doing.
I must say this situation is really scary. First, I find it
scary that my only reason to be suspect is that I own guns
(what some faceless person determines to be an "excessive"
number of them). Second, the threats to me, someone who's done
nothing, the bullying (I was STRONGLY advised against a
lawyer, I was threatened with jail, a forced entry, etc).
Last, the "be prepared to take a trip" part, especially for a
Jew (remember the Nazis), is reminiscent of certain
totalitarian regimes. <>
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Be sure to contact your Senators, and President Bush. We
certainly need to monitor this horrid abuse, and ask our
lawmakers to clamp down on the FBI, and such abuses:
http://www.senate.gov/senators/senator_by_state.cfm
http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW.html
http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/
With Respect,
Gun Owners Alliance Chris W. Stark - Director
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