Re: [RR] Quiz

[Mike Burke]

 But look at the size of the ark, and compare it to the size of today's ships. This was said to be a very good size ship. The whole idea was to spare the animals and Noah's family, so therefore it didn't have propulsion or a rudder and landed on Mt. Ararat (Asia Minor)  in Turkey. Unless God Spoke it and it just was, it's going to take while to build that boat. One of the things that I am questioning here is how do we know what a year was? What was a year back then? There were no Romans so how could you use a Roman calendar to identify what a year was? What if those people were not really that old (By our Roman calendar standards) and perhaps we just lost something in the translation somewhere? What if that extra "0 on the end of those ages was just an inkblot that looked like a "0" when it got translated?  If you take off one of those zeros on the ages , it makes them look a lot more relatable to us and the way things are now. In some cultures it is OK for teenagers to take wives (back then there wasn't a lot to pick from) . Culture wasn't cultured yet. Remember, Israel was not yet into being yet, this was before that, so how could you apply a Jewish calendar to it also? Nimrod hadn't messed up the languages on top of that ziggurat at this point.  The references I have seen was that the seasons didn't start happening until Noah set sail.   What if what we normally accept to be the truth is just accepted as the truth and then you find that there could be more to it? Not saying it's wrong, but perhaps just incomplete?  The world was still being unfolded back then. I'm not a theologian or a seminarian or even a Bible school graduate, but I bet questions like these get asked at places like those because people want to understand and want the big picture, not what is just passed out to suffice without actually doing the research to gain the understanding to really comprehend what is was that happened in depth. I don't challenge what the Bible says, I do challenge how we understand it because I think we may have missed a few points along the lines. (God's Word is not fallible, we the people are)  Nimrod's actions are why we have translations in the first place. We know languages in their translations do not always match up, the translation can be saying this and that when it is actually trying to convey something similar but yet different. Hebrew doesn't match up with the Greek and none of the Latin based languages really match up even though Latin is the root language from the people who are believed to have settled in the Italian peninsula.   I'm just putting this out there. They are some thoughts to ponder, Doubts? No they are not doubts. Just my belief that what is glossed over and homogenized and prepacked actually looses it's real flavor when it's frozen and the proper time doesn't get spent with it to really understand what is actually being said. I think it deserves more than a once or twice over and should have a serious more in depth look at what it is actually saying because I think there is substance there that we could actually be missing out on. Just like a prepacked frozen food. In Noah's day, the food was fresh and not prepacked.  What if I'm right, what if I'm wrong?  It's not really of consequence to me, I just wanted to stir the pot to put an accent on the potential of perhaps a boy coming to you as a Commander with questions like that? It can happen. How would you answer him without assigning him a research project or would you give him the prepacked food? Remember you want the best for him.   Iron Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [RR] Quiz In a message dated 9/12/03 11:02:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If we take it that way, then the same could be true for Noahs wife.  Maybe Noah wasn't married at this time either??? We're pretty sure he was married, because he had thre sons at age 500, before God instructed him on the ark. Gen 5 32 After Noah was 500 years old, he became the father of Shem, Ham and Japheth. The verse reads "You shall come into the ark, you, your sons, your wife, and your son's wives."   If we look at that way, Noah could have been the only one, as we could extend the supposition for Noah's wife and his sons as well.   Nonetheless, excluding the idea that Shem was at lease 13 years old, the building of the ark took 97 years at most, not 120 that most people quote.  These are probably the same people who say that the "sons of God" in Genesis 6:2 who took "daughters of men" to be their wives are actually fallen angelic beings. I agree.  We also don't know how much help he had, but 90+ years is a good stretch of time to build a ship, even one as large as the ark. Robert Hamilton ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 19:33:14 EDT Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [RR] Quiz Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   In a message dated 9/12/03 11:25:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And, 97 years is also stretching it.  If we look at Genesis 6:18 we see that God is telling Noah what he is going to do, and mentions Noah's "sons ... and your son's wives".  This indicates that Noah's sons were married.  What was the marrying age?  Let's assume that Shem was 13 when he married (he could have been older).  Subtract 13 from the 97 years determined in Genesis 11, and we come up with 84 years. I disagree.  I think perhaps that God knew his sons would have wives when the flood came.  He is also telling them in that verse that they will go into the ark, which, by your logic, implies that it is already built. It's amazing how many people (and how many Chrisitan web sites out there) take Genesis 6:3 and use it to support their proposition that it took 120 years to build the ark. Gen 6:3 And Jehovah said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, in his erring; he is flesh. Yet his days shall be a hundred and twenty years. Robert Hamilton Lucas Hoffmann http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aflatb/ Quaerite prime regnum Dei ‘be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you ...’ (1 Peter 3:15)