My thoughts,
Chop and Cut card is only as good as the training behind it. Same thing
as a Hunters Education card, CPR card, etc.
We seem to be missing the point of the original message. If I understand
the situation (could be wrong of course) a Ranger was showing, handling,
or playing with a knife in church. (Help me out here John, I'm a little
fuzzy on what exactly the young man was doing with the knife).
If it was me in this situation I would have politely asked the young man
to put the knife away and not take it out again or it would be
confiscated till service was over. If he follows the advice, everything
is cool. No need to talk about the Chop and Cut card. Personally I
wouldn't care if he had one on him or not if I felt the situation
warranted my intervention. (Again, why did he have the knife out?)
Cutting off a corner is a way to remind the Ranger to correct the
misbehavior. Remembering of course the Golden Rule while carrying it
out.
Confiscation is a last resort, a judgement call, due to the situation at
hand. I could type myself silly trying to list all possible situations
where we could (should?) intervine reguarding misuse of tools, etc.
I will give one example from this past weekend. Outpost went camping.
Rangers were told not electronic gear allowed. Guess what, electronic
gear showed up (how'd that get in my bag???). Did I confiscate it, no.
Just told the boys to repack it and that I did not want to see it in use
again. If they respected my word they will comply. Did they? Well I
didn't "see" or "hear" the electronic devises during the rest of the
campout. Of course they could have used them behind my back. Usually
have eyes in the back of my head though and would have found out anyway
(parental thing you know). Would I have confiscated the electronic
devise if they had gone against my word, you bet. If you say it you had
better follow through. Do it with love and let the Ranger understand the
meaning behind the rule and you will usually not have a problem.
To try to answer Noel's comment we need to remember that if the boy is
placed in our responsibility then it is our duty to keep them safe. If
it means confiscating a misused personal tool then so be it. It' again a
judgement call, done in love.
This reminds me of the scripture in Matthew 7th Chapter verse 9 & 10 "Or
what man is there among you you who, if his son asks for bread, will
give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent?"
This is taken slightly out of context, but my point is that we should
treat these young men as if they were our own son when under our
responsiblity. If a child is running down the hall ways at church, don't
you tell them to stop? Same thing. Keeping care and safety over the
young.
Nuff said...
Thanks and God Bless,
Bob Triphahn
Sr. Cmdr. O/P 312
Victory Church
St. Clair, Mo.
>
> All,
> The Cut-N-Chop card has it's flaws.
> What I mean is this:
> The Commander has the right to request outpost tools to be turned
> over if a boy is using them in a uncorrect way. The outpost tools should
> be clearly marked with outpost number, ect. This way a boy can not say it's
>
> his. Let us say however that the tool being used is his own property.
> Can you take his property?
> You can, but you could also be charged with confiscation of personal
> property.
> Now then let's say this went to court.
> What would your case be?
> Cut-n-Chop card would not stand up in court and unless I'm mistaken, no
> where
> in the leaders manual does it say we are to take tools away that is being
> used in
> a unsafe way.
>
> Later,
> Noel"Spirit Rider"Bell
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