Y'all,
Hey there to help Two forks out is
that. What the young man was doing is that he broung
the knife out. Then showed everyone and then started
being goofy with it. I don't remember all the details
since it was 2 or 3 Sundays ago. Also just my two
cents. Spirit Rider broung up that if we see a boy
misusing a tool on his property. If I saw a Ranger boy
in my opost on his own property, I would let the parent
know. Wouldn't take the tool away from him. However
if we were on a campout I would yes take it away from
the boy. Then I would talk to his Cmdr's about it. So
if they say give it back, and we talk to them. Then I
would. If they say hold on to it, into end of campout
I will do that. Then I will have a talk with his dad
and mom for that they know why I took it away. For
that and trust me on this. Kids don't like to tell
parents everything. When I was a kid there was few
details I left out on different stuff.
John
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John Evans
Maryville AG
" " Royal Rangers
Opost 7th
IL
On Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:04:10 Robert Triphahn wrote:
>My thoughts,
>
>Chop and Cut card is only as good as the training behind it. Same thing
>as a Hunters Education card, CPR card, etc.
>
>We seem to be missing the point of the original message. If I understand
>the situation (could be wrong of course) a Ranger was showing, handling,
>or playing with a knife in church. (Help me out here John, I'm a little
>fuzzy on what exactly the young man was doing with the knife).
>
>If it was me in this situation I would have politely asked the young man
>to put the knife away and not take it out again or it would be
>confiscated till service was over. If he follows the advice, everything
>is cool. No need to talk about the Chop and Cut card. Personally I
>wouldn't care if he had one on him or not if I felt the situation
>warranted my intervention. (Again, why did he have the knife out?)
>
>Cutting off a corner is a way to remind the Ranger to correct the
>misbehavior. Remembering of course the Golden Rule while carrying it
>out.
>
>Confiscation is a last resort, a judgement call, due to the situation at
>hand. I could type myself silly trying to list all possible situations
>where we could (should?) intervine reguarding misuse of tools, etc.
>
>I will give one example from this past weekend. Outpost went camping.
>Rangers were told not electronic gear allowed. Guess what, electronic
>gear showed up (how'd that get in my bag???). Did I confiscate it, no.
>Just told the boys to repack it and that I did not want to see it in use
>again. If they respected my word they will comply. Did they? Well I
>didn't "see" or "hear" the electronic devises during the rest of the
>campout. Of course they could have used them behind my back. Usually
>have eyes in the back of my head though and would have found out anyway
>(parental thing you know). Would I have confiscated the electronic
>devise if they had gone against my word, you bet. If you say it you had
>better follow through. Do it with love and let the Ranger understand the
>meaning behind the rule and you will usually not have a problem.
>
>To try to answer Noel's comment we need to remember that if the boy is
>placed in our responsibility then it is our duty to keep them safe. If
>it means confiscating a misused personal tool then so be it. It' again a
>judgement call, done in love.
>
>This reminds me of the scripture in Matthew 7th Chapter verse 9 & 10 "Or
>what man is there among you you who, if his son asks for bread, will
>give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent?"
>This is taken slightly out of context, but my point is that we should
>treat these young men as if they were our own son when under our
>responsiblity. If a child is running down the hall ways at church, don't
>you tell them to stop? Same thing. Keeping care and safety over the
>young.
>
>Nuff said...
>
>Thanks and God Bless,
>
>Bob Triphahn
>Sr. Cmdr. O/P 312
>Victory Church
>St. Clair, Mo.
>
>>
>> All,
>> The Cut-N-Chop card has it's flaws.
>> What I mean is this:
>> The Commander has the right to request outpost tools to be turned
>> over if a boy is using them in a uncorrect way. The outpost tools should
>> be clearly marked with outpost number, ect. This way a boy can not say it's
>>
>> his. Let us say however that the tool being used is his own property.
>> Can you take his property?
>> You can, but you could also be charged with confiscation of personal
>> property.
>> Now then let's say this went to court.
>> What would your case be?
>> Cut-n-Chop card would not stand up in court and unless I'm mistaken, no
>> where
>> in the leaders manual does it say we are to take tools away that is being
>> used in
>> a unsafe way.
>>
>> Later,
>> Noel"Spirit Rider"Bell
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