In reading the below postings, my first impulse was "say what?" Then I read it again... and again... I see Mark's point. My interpretation his use of the word "hole" means that they can tend to be a detractor, keeping our eyes off of the mission and calling of being a commander. Commander first, and then, FCF. There is no room for FCF if the members lose sight of the mission: "Reach, Teach and Keep Boys for Christ" Honor Bound has its place for Men, but Commanders are called to reach boys. Sure, Commander's can be men who are involved in HonorBound! Afterall, the Men's Ministry of the church should be a vital part of Royal Rangers and vice versa. There are many times when Commanders minister to each other (as well they shouild). FCF activities are a prime example of such comradship, brotherhood, mentorship and ... yes... servanthood. The Young Bucks who see this going on become involved and become deeply comitted boys, and later... Ministers, Commanders, Missionaries, etc. I was a Young Buck for a while, looking with pride and ear to ear smiles when I was able to just be 'one of the guys' around my Commanders at FCF Traces. It's a Commander/Boy relationship that is hardly understood, except through personal experience... a relationship that has roots deeper than one might imagine than on regular camp-outs and Wednesday nights. My FCF memories are some of the greatest memories I have from my teenage years... when I needed strong Christian values and a need to belong. My Trail Ranger commander was my FCF Sponsor and I still have a warm spot in my heart and memories for him and all the other Commanders during that time who accepted me for who I was, and mentored me in many areas. On the otherhand, Honor Bound, Promise Keepers, etc. all have their place too. *We* happen to be called to be Commanders, others are called, and can be ministered to in other ministry areas. There is no competition between the ministries where MINISTRY is the point of being involved. If one of us is called out of Rangers into one of these other vital ministries, then Praise the Lord. Rangers, FCF, Honor Bound, etc... they're all vital ministries, but in many cases, they are merely stepping blocks to other vital ministry areas.... training up a child in the way he should go, so in the end, he'll not depart... that doesn't always mean Rangers. Remember the Mission: Reach, Teach and Keep Boys for *Christ*... not for Rangers. Blessings, Andy Burns Sierra Gizzley Chapter District Parson Northern Calif/Nev District -----Original Message----- From: David Detiege <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 8:05 AM Subject: [RR] What! - no F.C.F. ??? Royal Rangers without F.C.F. This sounds like the cake without the icing. WhiteHorse <David Detiege> www.fcfworld.com At 06:33 AM 2/11/99 -0600, you wrote: >We simply just don't do FCF in our Outpost. >This is my 5th year as SR. Commander. >We have 5 Outpost Councilman >We have 24 leaders involved weekly >We have averaged over 20 outtings a year for the last 5 years. >We participate in Area to National Royal RangerEvents. >We have SA - Challengers. >We have 4 (soon to be GMA's) I have a group of 3 men going over the >requirements to be sure the i's are all dotted. >We are currently running a mini LTC sunday school class for 6 weeks. >We just finished camping in a cave and rappelling the face of it. > >If the young men and men want to be in FCF they don't have time. > >Royal Rangers by design is a full circle program/ministry. It raises >young boys into young leaders into leaders who continue the cycle over >again. > >In my opinion: FCF, Honor Bound, Youth are all holes in the Ranger >Program. They may very well be fine programs and winning souls for the >Kingdom of God. But they never the less are holes in the Ranger Program. > > >Royal Rangers done right will keep young men and leaders involved and on >fire for Jesus and the Rangers. That is my calling. > >Please remember brother. I know some very fine FCFer's who are very good >Ranger Commanders. In our Outpost we are Staying Focused on Royal >Rangers. > >Mark Jones, Ozark MO, [EMAIL PROTECTED] visit my website at: >http://home1.gte.net/mjones02/index.html > >On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 23:33:07 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> Is FCF not offered in your section? Or District? If by saying >>you don't do FCF in your outpost are you saying you don't allow boys >>the opportunity for membership? >> >>On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 22:04:55 -0600 Mark W Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>writes: >>>I have 4 GMAs coming up and we don't do FCF in our Outpost. Just RR. >> >>>Our GMA's will turn into Junior Leaders then Lt. Commanders then >>>Commanders. No FCF no holes in the RR program. >>>. >>>Mark Jones, Ozark MO, [EMAIL PROTECTED] visit my website at: >>>http://home1.gte.net/mjones02/index.html >>> >>>On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:15:49 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >>>> Noel, do you even know of any GMA's that aren't FCF? >>>> _______ To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe rangernet" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Eat the hay & spit out the sticks!" RTKB&G4JC! Autoresponder: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://rangernet.org _______ To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe rangernet" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Eat the hay & spit out the sticks!" RTKB&G4JC! Autoresponder: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://rangernet.org
