Hot Button, BIG WARNING
The issue of women as commanders is a hot one for sure. I personally
think that Rangers should be a uniting influence in the family, rather
that a divisive one. Last year we had a patrol of girls at JLTC. All
the usual appropriate rules were instated, but none were broken. A
good and godly time was had by all, especially the staff who got to
eat with the ladies :-)
Let's face some facts. First, the American family is a shambles and
most polls tell us that there is almost no difference between a
"Christian" family and a "secular" family. Second, American law being
what it is, women will eventually gain access to the commander jobs
in the older groups. Its just a matter of time.
Rangers can and should be a program that unites families, instead of having
the men go on Ranger functions one weekend, and the ladies go on a
Missionette event another. We all know how crowded the calendar gets.
It is even worse for those on sectional, district, regional, or national
staff. The problem is vastly amplified in smaller churches, where there
are so few people to staff the positions. Why wait any longer? Why
wait until some money-grubbing lawyer with a money-grubbing client decides
to shove the patriarchal attitude back down our throats.
Do some math.
x = number of countries that have a Ranger program
y = number of countries who forbid the ladies to hold a commander position
in the older groups.
z = x - y.
What does z equal?
The four gold points should be, "The four ways a CHILD grows."
White Buffalo
Duane Wheeler wrote:
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> Hot Button... WARNING!
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> >
> >
> >> Step back for a moment and listen to yourself. You have already decided
> >> that something is a sinful act even though you have no scriptural backing
> >> for your opinion.
> >> This is a classic case of "Religion" There are a lot of things you are
> >> taught in any denomination that are well intentioned or good practice but
> >> are not really backed by scripture. It is a dangerous but common practice
> >> to decide your doctrine then look up the scripture. It will open your eyes
> >> dramatically to begin to reverse this procedure.
> >
> This is why it is so Important to welcome the service of eveyone reguardess of
> gender to the admiunistration of
> Royal Ranger leadership, in every age group. Rangers around the world have
> made the step... we can too!
> FCF is no "secret society" and NTC could improve by doing what it is billed
> as: National Training of leaders.
> *Make the focus effective hands-on leadership skills...
>
> I grew up in the OLD Program... that was frankly administered by the MEN OF
> THE CHURCH to the
> *boys of the church... Over time that "model has shifted" to welcome boys
> from every circumstance to
> our Ministry/Program... Isn't it time to shift to a healty "family friendly"
> approch to Royal Rangers?
>
> *Mom's are willing to serve and train... Rangers needs dedicated leaders...
> What is fair?
>
> At the National Camp-out there was a healthy mix of Rangers and Adult leaders
> from all around the world!
> *If we are to discriminate because of Gender only... where do we stand with
> the Lord and our fellowship?
>
> I think it's time to open the door to our *sisters...
>
> >>
> >> I was raised in an AG church and graduated from an AG college then married
> >> a wonderful Christian woman who was raised in a non-Christian home. Every
> >> I would spout off a bit of doctrine that seemed instinctive to me she said
> >> "Where is that in the Bible?" If I couldn't find it I changed my doctrine.
> >> I challenge you all to challenge each other. Don't accept things just
> >> because you heard it somewhere or because you've always believed it.
> >> Before you decide see what God has said on the subject.
> >
>
> *A-men!
>
> When we view the Bible.. and even *OFFICIAL Assembly of God policy statements
> reguarding the role of
> Women in ministry.. we find NATIONAL POLICY falling short. *see www.ag.org
> "policy papers"
>
> The truth is that Women serve as Missionaries and serve as Youth
> workers-Children's workers and in the
> flull time ministry they serve in every position ... How is it that we find
> them "un-suited" to being a "Commander"?
>
> It's an American Taboo...It should change.
>
> >>
> >
> >
> > Very well said.
>
> *Thanks...<G>
>
> Cdr.Duane Wheeler
> NW Op354 "Challengers"
> FCF Wilderness member
> NTC '96
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> >
> >
> >>
> >> DRT
> >>
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: rarice
> >> > To: Soaring Golden Eagle
> >> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2000 3:47 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: [RR] Tattoos
> >> >
> >> > I am not saying that I am not tolerant to people who have tattoos or
> >> > piercings but for a boy who has been raised in the church and claims to
> >> > be saved, I feel that they shouldnt be considering this. What kind of
> >> > testimony is this for other boys.
> >> > Yeah for an ex-biker who has been saved and has lead boys to christ it
> >> > can be of some use . I have a freind who fits this catagory and is a
> >> > ranger commander. He is not proud of his past but uses it as an example
> >> > to tell the boys what to stay away from.
> >> >
> >> > Russ Rice
> >> > Anchor of Hope Ministries
> >> > Lebanon Ohio
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: Soaring Golden Eagle
> >> >> To: rarice
> >> >> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2000 2:26 PM
> >> >> Subject: Re: [RR] Tattoos
> >> >>
> >> >> At 10:51 AM 1/15/00 -0500, you wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > I am at a loss right know. I have been trying to find scriptural
> >> >> > references about body tattoos and piercing. I have a trailblazer who
> >> >> > is intrigued by this mutilation of the body and he was challenging me
> >> >> > on the topic . I need prayer and scriptural backing for this.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> A wise minister of the Gospel once said:
> >> >>
> >> >> "Do you know the difference between heavily tattooed bikers and
> >> >> 'normal' church-going people? The people with tattoos don't care that
> >> >> the other people don't have tattoos."
> >> >>
> >> >> This is an area that requires balance. Tattoos stain the skin for life,
> >> >> often with ugly or even evil artwork. Sin doesn't stain forever,
> >> >> because the blood of Jesus washes it away. We once had a commander in
> >> >> our outpost who was concerned that we might not let him serve as a
> >> >> commander because he had tattoos on his arms. Thank God for His
> >> >> forgiveness and for this Trailblazer commander's service.
> >> >>
> >> >> Is it a good idea to tattoo yourself or cut yourself all over? No.
> >> >>
> >> >> Leviticus 19:28 says: "You shall not make any cuts in your body for the
> >> >> dead nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves: I am the LORD."
> >> >>
> >> >> This law sets God's people apart from the heathen, who had such
> >> >> practices. There is a whole false religion called "Tattoo" that still
> >> >> exists. Avoid it.
> >> >>
> >> >> As for pierced ears and noses, those have been done for ages by many
> >> >> people. Some primitive people hang some amazing things from their
> >> >> noses, mouths, and ears. In ancient Israel, ear piercing was a sign
> >> >> that you were a slave for life.
> >> >>
> >> >> "But if the slave plainly says, 'I love my master, my wife and my
> >> >> children; I will not go out as a free man,' then his master shall bring
> >> >> him to God, then he shall bring him to the door or the doorpost. And
> >> >> his master shall pierce his ear with an awl; and he shall serve him
> >> >> permanently." -- Exodus 21:5-6 (NASB)
> >> >>
> >> >> Hmmm.... God commanded ear piercing in this case. :-)
> >> >>
> >> >> I have no tattoos nor have I pierced my body anywhere. I don't
> >> >> recommend doing so, but I do recommend being tolerant of those who do.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ___
> >> >>
> >> >> Michael Paul Johnson aka Soaring Golden Eagle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> http://eBible.org/mpj Rocky Mountain Outpost 207 New Creation Church
> >> >> Jesus Christ is Lord! If Jesus came back today, would you be READY?
> >> >
> > Michael Paul Johnsonaka Soaring Golden EaglePO Box 1151, Longmont CO
> > 80502-1151, USARocky Mountain outpost 207, New Creation ChurchJesus Christ
> > is Lord!
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