That's not the point I was making. You put the cmdr in the boys shoes
just as Sr. Guide did to you during the morning assembly. I have read
Soaring Golden Eagles web page on NTC and I don't totally disagree with
his statements.

On Sun, 19 Mar 2000 21:07:28 -0600 Mark W Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> No I wouldn't say it was learned at NTC.  I tried my best to show the 
> right way and incourage the right way.  Then when it didn't sink in 
> I dished out a teaspoon of the same medicine the commander was 
> dishing out to his rangers not 3 days of it.  

One 15 second kodak 
> moment and that was only as a last resort.  
So it was the same as NTC.

> It hurt me as much to do this to him as it hurt me to see him do it 
> to others.  The right way to do something is the best way to teach 
> it.  Then if this doesn't ring there bell,  there are less then 
> favorable ways to learn.  One of them being the leason of hard 
> knocks.  My 6 year old son a Straight Arrow wiped out on his Bike 
> this week and left most of the side of his face on the pavement out 
> in front of the house.  Just a few days before I saw him rampin his 
> bike and warned him he wasn't indestructable.  He learned a lesson I 
> was trying to teach him but it had to be the hard way.  I would have 
> much rather he had listend to all the good reasons for being 
> carefull and wearing this and doing that...but sometimes hard knocks 
> come.  I don't think it would be right to stage a wipe out for him 
> to learn this lesson do you?.  
> 
> Mark Jones
> 
> 
> On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 03:50:40 -0600 PAUL A GALLINA 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >     Is not this the technique gleaned from NTC?
> > 
> > I had 
> > > a
> > > commander who wanted to punish the boys with pushups infront of 
> > the
> > > outpost if they did something wrong or forgot something or what 
> > > ever... 
> >   Later in the Opening ceremony I caught 
> > > the
> > > commander doing some trival thing and called him to fall in 
> > upfront 
> > > which
> > > he did.  I then asked him to give me 10 pushups for so and so 
> and 
> > he
> > > looked at me with hurt in his eyes and before it went much 
> farter 
> > I
> > > stoped and told him he didn't need to do that his mistake was 
> > > covered by
> > > the Blood of Jesus and he was forgiven.  Later he came up to me 
> > and 
> > > told
> > > me I know how a boy feels when I made him do pushups infront of 
> > the
> > > group.  I won't do that again.  
> > >> > Gentlemen,
> > > >     Royal Rangers is not about secrecy, but about having fun 
> > while 
> > > 
> > > > serving 
> > > > God and learning about God in a fun way. FCF is a great 
> ministry 
> > 
> > > for 
> > > > older 
> > > > boys and men, but the idea is to get the boys and men 
> interested 
> > 
> > > in 
> > > > order for 
> > > > them to stay in Royal Rangers, and in doing so we have to keep 
> 
> > > some 
> > > > things 
> > > > quiet in order for the greenhorns to enjoy their Adventure. 
> God 
> > > knew 
> > > > some of 
> > > > the test for the men of the Bible but didn't always tell them 
> > > about 
> > > > it before 
> > > > hand. FCF Phase II testing is not that hard just follow orders 
> 
> > of 
> > > > those in 
> > > > charge and you should pass.
> > > >     Let me tell you when I attended NTC, Fred Deaver was my 
> Sr. 
> > > > Guide and he 
> > > > told us to keep quiet about some of the things that went on at 
> 
> > NTC 
> > > 
> > > > in order 
> > > > for future commanders who attend NTC could have the same 
> > > experience. 
> > > > 
> > > >     We are not secret club in order to make people suffer, FCF 
> 
> > is 
> > > > the elite 
> > > > of the Royal Rangers (men of God) so we want true men of God. 
> So 
> > 
> > > > just listen 
> > > > and do what you are told and you will be part of an excellent 
> > > > ministry of 
> > > > God. 
> > > > 
> > > >     I will praying for all you greenhorns. hee hee hee
> > > > 
> > > > serving only one master... Jesus
> > > > Keith G  
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