Stephan. Soaring Eagles report of NTC is exactly as it is done in the
U.S.A.
I attended a LTC campout that gleaned this training from NTC. While I
feel that the intent for NTC is not to teach this neither the less they
are indeed spending 2 of the 3.5 days teaching this negative behavior and
then on the last day they try to be your buddy again all for the sake of
don't treat your boys like this... and yet many do and they learned it
from NTC.
The best news is that National is taking a look at the 25% failure rate
of NTC. Instead of showing us how not to treat our Rangers how about
showing us how the patrol system should work and do it in a positive way.
Doing things out of fear of humilation via "Knotty" or essays is enough
to make me turn my back on it and kick the dirt off of my shoes and go
on. It goes against every thing that Christ taught us to do.
I love Royal Rangers and I love and pray for our Staff and I see Staff
pouring their hearts into this Ministry callled Royal Rangers. It is the
best boat afloat and yet it has some holes in it. Lets fix those holes
and I feel that National is going to do so, Praise God.
Brothers and Sisters in Ranger Net. Being located here is Springfield I
get to brush elbows with some of these Godly people and there heart
indeed is to make it better.
Lets work to plug those holes and keep this fine vessel called Royal
Rangers floating high and Godly.
Mark Jones
On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 17:45:41 +0200 "Stefan Fischer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> Hi Rangers,
>
>
> > Please change the subject of your e-mails so those of us who are
> looking
> for Dutch
> > Oven recipes don't have to wade through this repeat of a repeat of
> a
> repeat of an
> > argument.
>
> Amen.
>
> What I'd like to say on the NTC topic is:
>
> If ALL US-NTCs are done in the way MPJ describes in his report, man
> am I
> glad I have been on a german NTC.
>
> I have been serving in german military and I liked it the way it
> was. Even
> the times that came to my mind when I was reading MPJs report.
> BUT Royal Rangers is NOT military or a para-military organisation.
>
> So my only hope is that this one NTC MPJ attended was a BIG BIG
> exception
> from what your NTCs are like.
>
> Doing a NTC that way would never work here in Germany for several
> reasons:
>
> 1. As we don't have LTCs as you have them NTC is the primary
> training camp
> for Royal Rangers commanders. Attending NTC is a requirement for
> being
> allowed to start an
> outpost here. So what would those who would like to start an
> outpost in
> their
> church and have never before been to a Royal Rangers camp think
> of Royal
> Rangers?
> I don't think we would have over 250 outposts here in Germany if
> our
> NTCs were done
> in the way MPJ describes.
>
> 2. For historic reasons we cannot allow Royal Rangers to get any
> para-military touch.
> I don't think too many parents would allow their children to
> attend our
> meetings if
> we had a para-military appearance.
> We don't have formation in the (military-style) way it is done
> in the
> US. We don't
> have military style flag-parades etc.
>
> The one thing we always have to remember is:
> Royal Rangers is a SCOUTING group, a CHRISTIAN scouting group.
> These are two points that set us apart from military on the one hand
> and
> other scouts on the other hand.
>
>
> After all these arguments pro MPJ's report I also have something to
> say
> against it.
>
> 1) I don't think we should abolish Senior Guide the way it is (or
> here in
> Germany: Lt. Camp Cmdr (who actually does the same job)). I
> believe you
> need a person like that
> to get at least SOME discipline.
>
> 2) I don't think reports like that should be published via
> Internet, where
> everyone
> can read them. This is an internal US-Royal Rangers discussion
> (and I
> apologize if
> I as a foreigner stepped on anyone's toes) and it should be
> discussed
> 'internal'.
> Fighting a battle like this publicly has never been good for
> anyone.
>
> Visit my homepage at www.royal-ranger.com
>
> Allzeit bereit f�r Jesus,
> Fani
> Pioneer-Cmdr
> OP #78 Moetzingen/Germany
>
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